Scientology Apostate Part III: Anonymous' Effect on the Org

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Are these weirdos making a difference?
Earlier this month, Anonymous claimed their first potential defector from within San Francisco's Church of Scientology. Meanwhile, the church's president, Jeff Quiros, told SF Weekly the masked protesters' presence has only buoyed the public's interest in the org.

This week, we've posted the statistics that ethicstrouble claims to have smuggled out of the org, and we've talked with this inside source about daily life at the church. Today, we post our conversation with ethicstrouble about Anonymous.

Disclaimer: W
e have no confirmation that Ethicstrouble is, indeed, a San Francisco Scientologist. But two ex-Scientologists have said the graphs the source sent us look legit. Now, ethicstrouble says the leadership of the org is changing protocols to make sure such a leak doesn't happen again. "Right now, it's much greater security -- shredding them as soon as the executives see them. There's a shredder in the ED's [executive director's] office, so [the papers] will probably go straight in there."

SF Weekly: What was the reaction at the org when Anonymous first showed up three years ago outside the Columbus Avenue building?

ET: It was pretty shocking and upsetting. I didn't know what to do. People were told not to talk to them, just walk by and go in. The first thing you do when Anonymous shows up is you shut the front gates and make everyone have to go through the side. For staffers, it was like the opposite of how Scientology teaches you to confront a PTS -- a potential trouble source. There's a PTS-SP course on how to confront and shatter suppression. Those things are not being done with Anonymous.

SFW: Who said not to talk to Anonymous?

ET: It comes from San Francisco Scientology President Jeff [Quiros]. He lays down the rules.

SFW: And what's the reaction of the church toward Anonymous now that they're still at it?

ET: It's personal. Some people are are bothered by it and intimidated by it. Most accept it and say that's the way it is, and go about their life and work. But everyone is saying in the back of their mind, "God, they're still there, we're not winning." L. Ron Hubbard says the more they fight us the more it proves we're winning, but it's good Anonymous is out there, because it is starting to wear on people. How long can you say we're winning when the org is empty and Anonymous is out there protesting? Little by little you wake up, and pretty soon you say fuck it, I'm looking on the Internet, I'd like to see what the hell is going on.

SFW: What was most important for you: specific things the protesters said, or the presence of protesters outside?

ET: The presence was the most important. I thought the signs were silly. Most of the signs are silly -- "Tom Cruise looks like an idiot," that sort of thing. It's just the fact they're there, because they're just having fun and dancing -- there's no real information we're going to get. And to go on the [Anonymous] website, if any of the staff members have the gumption to do that.

SFW: What about the graph that [church member] Jerry showed the protesters last month that indicated the  protests have increased the amount of people coming into the org? Was that real? 

ET: They don't talk about [the encounter between Jerry and Anonymous] in the org, but when I saw the graph online, it's not true. His graph is going up. It was too perfect, to be frank. Look at the graphs I sent you and how wacko they are. That his graph was perfect, slowing going up -- give me a break!

SFW: Is there anyone else doubting Scientology within the org?

ET: I know of two people.

SFW: Have those two been affected by Anonymous as well?

ET: Yes.

SFW: How important would you say Anonymous was to your starting to question Scientology?
 
ET: If it weren't for Anonymous, I may still be in, because Anonymous pushed me to look harder. I said, Why aren't these guys going away? I always had an excuse for everything. The reason we're talking is I want to acknowledge the people raiding in San Francisco because it helped me wake up. Without them, it would have taken longer.

Tomorrow we'll talk more about ethicstrouble's path to questioning the church.

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37 comments
Clam On A Halfshell
Clam On A Halfshell

It seems to be very easy to inflict mental anguish on $cientologists. You seem a bit enturbulated. Have some herbal tea or something.

Old OT7
Old OT7

ethictrouble, you've become a Freedom Fighter like the rest of us.  And, I might add, you're doing one hell of a great job!  Please keep it up, my friend!

Heather Grace
Heather Grace

This gave me goosebumps.

Well done, SF Anons. You guys really care, and it shows.

Alice Kramden
Alice Kramden

I see much public love for SFAnons in the videos. Being holed up in a losing Org has to be demoralizing while watching the dance and fun outside the door.Best to you ET and I hope you'll be out for good soon. Bring your friends too!

Ninjamyrtle
Ninjamyrtle

where can i find out more. i'm intrigued.

GarryS
GarryS

Ethicstrouble needs to be very careful. As an ex-Scio, I can attest to the cult's long time practice of "noisy investigations".  There is a Wiki page on it. The cult has long used the police & the courts to to intimidate, harass, and attack their enemies, and deliberately lying to set people up. I suspect if Jeff Quiros learns the ID of ethicstrouble, he will try to get him arrested for theft of church materials, even if no private materials were involved.  The DSA's, Director of Special Affairs, in orgs that are being protested by critics, are instructed to find every way possible to set people up to be arrested. Jeff Quiros is experienced at such "black ops".

skeptic2girl
skeptic2girl

But isn't something in a garbage can legal for *anyone* to take?

GarryS
GarryS

If the trash can is on the premises of the owner, it is private property. If the trash has been set out in the street, it is public property and legal to go through. Regardless, you miss the point. If et's identity is exposed, he may find himself/herself accused of stealing internal documents that were not in a trash can.

SeanD
SeanD

Depends on where it is and in what jurisdiction - counties and municipalities have there own laws.

SeanD
SeanD

"Their own laws..."

KeepOnLearning
KeepOnLearning

How many Anonymous followers have now been arrested? 

If you add up the USA and Europe, it's about TWENTY. 

Moral:  If you sleep with dogs, you get fleas. 

William Burke
William Burke

How many Scientology protesters have been arrested?  None.

How many Scientologists have been arrested for attacking the protesters?  What is it up to now, 6?

KeepOnLearning
KeepOnLearning

Courts don't really pay much attention to religious people who are purposefully goaded by hate-crimers and provocateurs whose sole wish in life is to provoke some incident.

Old OT7
Old OT7

And if you sleep with Xenu you get body thetans.  And if you happen to be rich, you end up with even more body thetans.  Hmmmmm, I wonder why that is?

KeepOnLearning
KeepOnLearning

So-o-o-o...if yo reached OT7 (allegedly), how many years did you fake having wins and the correct End Phenomena from sessions and levels to get there?

Lying about gains received really is enough to give you a guilty conscience.

Looks like your lying did the job well enough to cause you to blow.

Glad you're out. Peace be unto you. (But apparently it's not.)

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

20? Ha! Thats less than 2% of the many thousands of people who are part of Anonymous and much less for those belonging to Project Chanology and it's protests against Scientology. 

Your church does not even understand how Anonymous works, which is why you don't know what you are talking about. Listening to propaganda instead of getting facts is contrary to using the Scientology data series and code of honor. Think about that.

Anon A
Anon A

How many Scientologist "OTs" have committed suicide, or murder?

Aside from OT7 Rex Fowler that is, who tried to do both.

Old OT7
Old OT7

He succeeded in one of those.  And, folks?  Here's proof positive that OT7 can turn you into a murderer!  Thank goodness I didn't turn to the dark side after having completed OT7 myself.  But, I've got to leave my body now and fly through the universe...

Anna Asks
Anna Asks

KOL, I feel like you may be referring to the hacker anons.  

People often lump Anonymous together as a "group", when it's really a collective of people with no leadership structure, who all do what they're passionate about.  Not all Anons approve of, or even are aware of, what other Anons may do.  You become an Anon when you take action and decide to use the term or imagery, not by subscribing to a dogma or passing an initiation.

Some protest legally and with an eye towards engaging and informing people, talking to people on the street, friends, or at other groups (churches, seminars, conventions).  Others dance dance dance, and their main motivation is to provide a presence, because they feel that they're making their issue known by being there, a feeling made stronger when others join them (one Anon is fun, two Anons is more fun, three Anons is an all-out party!).  

The SF Anons call it "Yellow Submarine Tech", so eloquently said by SF Anon Moog in an earlier Lauren Smiley article regarding The Yellow Submarine movie:

"The Yellow Submarine' from 1969, the heroes not only neutralize the bullies, but win them over through music and dance and love. It's 'Yellow Submarine' tech!"

Others keep track of relevant news and get that information/news story out via listservs or various forums.  Others do research, or advocate through official channels (writing/calling elected officials). Some hack.  The hacking is the part covered by most news stories, but is most certainly not the only thing Anons do - Anons do what they believe in using the methods they believe in, and if other Anons agree, they do it together.  It's possible/likely that there have been more Anons doing completely peaceful protest or other work than any hacking or other funny business.

Anons who protest legally and peacefully have been smeared, harassed, and even arrested or charged with bogus claims by various Scientology orgs/entities.  You know they're bogus when the charges are dropped and the courts seem to be viewing any charges by Scientologist against Anons (and others) as spurious.  They're the cult who cried wolf more often than not now.  I hope that helps put Carmen's comment into context for you.

KeepOnLearning
KeepOnLearning

Nice of you to put that time into your explanation.

However many subcultures there may be within Anon, there are a few common denominators.

They hope to cause anguish or embarrassment, and to heap scorn on others.   Who else would picket a Broadway show because one Scientologist was in its cast? That's just sick.

They often break or skirt the law. Witness the jailed 20.

And your logic leaks when you say charges dropped indicate charges faked.

A lack of case-winnable evidence, or the presence of a good dodge ("Can you prove which masked man shoved you, Miss?") gets lots of people off.

DA's don't chase a minor case without having a near lock on it.

Anna Asks
Anna Asks

I'm not sure if links will get through the spamfilter, but this diagram is a handy reference to the movement known as "Chanology", which is sort of an umbrella term for the peaceful, legal protests that errupted around February of 2008 (after the Tom Cruise video and ensuing takedown requests, leading to massive public outcry).

http://img683.imageshack.us/im...

Vajayjay
Vajayjay

Come raid with us, Louanne!  I'll bake you a troll-flavored cupcaek.

LoyalOfficer
LoyalOfficer

For hacking? Not on the same level of $cientology crimes iis it when comapred to Rex Fowler (1st degree murder) and Jan Eastgate (AKA Janice Meyer) Covering up child sex abuse within the cult, or all of the arrests for Operation Snow White...

Carmen
Carmen

How many anons have been arrested because Scientology phoned in fake complaints, and gave police false information?

How many anons are suing Scientology now for this? Around 20...and they will win, because perjury rarely stands up in court, and just because you claim "86 phoned in death and bomb threats" doesn't make it true. Curiously, there are no police records of complaints, and Scientologists baww to the cops for the stupidest reasons. You'd think they'd really complain over something serious like a bomb threat.

KeepOnLearning
KeepOnLearning

Your silly idea doesn't wash. 

You can't phone in a fake complaint and say, "It was the guy in the mask" when several wear identical masks.

The Anons' scummy morals and desire to inflict mental anguish on Scientologists got themselves busted for their own crimes which federal and state agencies tracked to them as individuals.

And I don't see an ounce of exculpatory evidence from one of them.

Guilty as charged.

O Hai!
O Hai!

This willfully ignorant "understanding" of Anonymous will Keep Scientology Failing.

Carry on, all you glorious bastards!

O. Lallieberry
O. Lallieberry

How many Scientologists have not yet left the cult?

If you add up the USA, Canada, Europe, Latin America, Africa, Asia, Australia and Oceania it's no more than TWENTY THOUSAND.

Moral: If you are a Scientologist, you get Body Thetans.

John Avalos
John Avalos

Sometimes it takes crazy to fight crazy. Well done, San Francisco Anonymous. Doing it right.

As for the Scientologists' reactions, are any even taking a step back to laugh at the whole charade?

Henry Miller
Henry Miller

 Oh and Ethicstrouble, there is a world of wonder waiting for you on the outside. We welcome you with open arms.

Henry Miller
Henry Miller

 I love that the 'Anonymous' folks are often dancing outside the Scientology building, and they aren't so creepy after you get used to them. They bring levity to a block that was typically only occupied by sullen, vacant and CREEPIER Scientologists. I didn't care about Scientology before Anonymous showed up, and I still don't, but at least I know why Anonymous fights and how dangerous Scientology really is (Thanks google!)

F_Randy_Hullabaloo
F_Randy_Hullabaloo

Between this and what's happening over at the Village Voice it's a Grand Slam.  Today at the Voice the Top 25 Most Crippling to Scientology series finishes up with #3, Marty Rathbun, #2, Slappy, #1, the old man, LRH and the announcement of the Reader's Poll for your picks of the top 25. 

Dan Courtney
Dan Courtney

This feedback is so important. Ethicstrouble is letting protesters like myself know that we are making a difference, and in doing so is helping to free many more Scientologists. We won't give up until the abuse and deception end.

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