Anonymous Claims First Supporter Within San Francisco Church of Scientology

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The San Francisco-based Anonymous demonstrators who have waged a protest against the city's Church of Scientology for three years may have won over their first potential defector -- a person who posted on the group's message board this week as a "cult member in hiding" to let them know their protests have proved "something is really wrong" with the Church.

Meanwhile, the San Francisco church's president, Jeff Quiros, is brushing this off as a troll -- internet-speak for someone trying to start trouble online. "I'm sure it's not legitimate," he says. 

One Anonymous protester chalked it up as a victory. "This is the first time someone has publicly come out and said 'I want to defect.' It's really heart-warming to see him so grateful" for the Anonymous protests. 

Here is the text of the first post that went up Tuesday on a San Francisco message board of  whyweprotest.net. The writer says, "I hope one day to join you."

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A screenshot of from "ethicstrouble" on whyweprotest.net (click image to enlarge).
Anonymous has been in the news these days mostly for its continuing protests of BART. But eons ago in web terms, or say, early 2008, the Internet-based collective of free speech advocates and merry pranksters first came to the world's attention for their boots-on-the-ground protests of the Church of Scientology.

This summer, a new generation of Anonymous members have taken up the cause in San Francisco -- many of them unemployed recent college grads or older folks, according to our Anon source. 

Now they have what they think is contact from a member within the church.

After ethicstrouble posted his or her first message, the Anons on the message board egged the person on, asking for statistics, including how many people have been visiting the San Francisco church and how much staffers earn. 

Wednesday morning, ethicstrouble responded with a more detailed letter purportedly describing life within the San Francisco org: "You guys are winning, the only reason this is holding together is because of the few really dedicated staff and the few deep pockets that keep it financed." The person continued, "People are leaving, if not publicly, at least by not coming to events or course." 

Here's the screen shot of the actual page. The poster seems to have the Scientology lingo down, and outlines an organization that is losing staffers, having problems attracting new prospects, and paying its existing staffers poverty wages.

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Quiros wouldn't comment on specifics like staffers' wages, but did say "We're actually gaining staff." He says the amount of people walking into the door is increasing. He added that the person could possibly be an ex-Scientologist, which would explain the church-specific lingo. 

"There's a lot of info in those posts that lead me to believe this is bogus," Quiros says. "There are seeming specifics, but really it's a lot of generalities. I don't want to get into it much further cause I don't want to get into our church expansion. I want to say we are experiencing expansion -- especially in people walking in off the street." 

It seems it's unlikely we'll hear much more from ethicstrouble soon. As the person wrote in their Wednesday post: "Maybe one day I will be able to cry about this situation, but now I can not, it is not the right time." 

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barbara graham
barbara graham

"We're actually gaining staff."

Right, Jeff. You're attracting people with your bogus "help wanted" sign. Once they get their first paycheck for $50 after two weeks labor, you'll be looking for more desperate people seeking jobs. And once they get their first paycheck, they'll leave too. It's a cycle, and you are a speed bump in the job search arena.

Carl
Carl

Like Jeff Quiros is going to do anything else....he would defend this insanity to the end! Open your eyes Jeff.  How could any of this make any logical sense to you, think about it.

LocalSP1
LocalSP1

To all the members of scientology, I am here with a warning for you. Your cult is dying, you best keep an eye on the actions of your diminutive leader David Miscavige. Better yet keep an eye on the vast millions of dollars that are in the scientology coffers. David Miscavige knows the end is near, why do you think the scientology ship the Freewinds keeps making runs to Columbia and Curacao. He is Squirreling the millions away for his escape.

Comic Book Fan
Comic Book Fan

They are wonderful people in San Francisco. They work hard.

NCSP
NCSP

He *wants* to say they are experiencing expansion....but maybe he still has a conscience left, because he doesn't.

:)

NavarroCarlos
NavarroCarlos

And to Jeff Q----Wake Up and Smell the Flowers, man. Your stats are CRASHED, not because of us, really, but because of YOU ALL. I told OSA that, back when I was "in" and they wanted me to go picket Mark Bunker's Home. I said "no---YOU  are...@sonson, I just got a $829.99 iPad2 for only $103.37 and my mom got a $1499.99 HDTV for only $251.92, they are both coming with USPS tomorrow. I would be an idiot to ever pay full retail prices at places like Walmart or Bestbuy. I sold a 37" HDTV to my boss for $600 that I only paid $78.24 for. I use CentHub.cōm

Vahjayjay
Vahjayjay

The cult constantly blows off its toes with the *foot bullets* (please refer posts in these comments by current Scientologists). The funniest thing is how some cult members will storm out of the cult with smoke coming out of their ears and insist, "Nobody cares!!" As someone said on the why we protest site, "Scientology: Keeping Anonymous Laughing"!

MrEricSir
MrEricSir

The head honchos at Scientology should be in jail, period.

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Round 2: Anon vs. Scientology.  FIGHT!  I hope they really go at it this time.  The bloodier the better.  Either way, the public can't lose since both orgs are turdish/cultish/roguish.

Torychristman
Torychristman

My congratulations to Anonymous, again!!! I can attest, here in LA a mother called me, crying. Her daughter had been "in", on staff at Scientology, for years. Suddenly she got a call: "Mom---please come pick me up, I want to come home".  I asked her what happened to bring about this great change? She said: "She saw you all, with Anonymous, out picketing and having fun and she said: "Mom: I want to be with them". :) Yeah!!! To Anonymous and each person who wakes up and walks OUT. Freedom (real freedom) is no harder than walking across the street.

And to Jeff Q----Wake Up and Smell the Flowers, man. Your stats are CRASHED, not because of us, really, but because of YOU ALL. I told OSA that, back when I was "in" and they wanted me to go picket Mark Bunker's Home. I said "no---YOU  areC R E A T I N G your own enemies, and they continue to do so, to this very day.Thank you ALL :) Tory Christman (aka: Magoo!)

ShellyMiscavige
ShellyMiscavige

When David Miscavige lets me out of this damn RPF prison hole you better believe I'll be walking right out the gates of this dumb cult.

I want the FBI to investigate what happened to my mom too, Flo Barnett.

Clarkle
Clarkle

It's simple, Flo Barnett commited suicide by shooting herself Four times with a Rifle.  This kind of thing happens all the time, doesn't it?

Mark
Mark

It's great to see a scientologist thinking for themselves - it really is a big deal. When I was in the cult, I found that the entire indoctrination process is very well thought out, to prevent people from leaving.

This person has awoken, and they have my admiration and support!

Thank you for covering this heartwarming bit of local success. It brightened my day.

Dan Courtney
Dan Courtney

I don't wear a mask or conceal my identity. But every time I try to have a civil discussion with a Scientologist they run and hide. Why can't I find a Scientologist that can complete a comm cycle?!

Paul Jay Salerno
Paul Jay Salerno

We will again. Nice job everyone.www(dot)chanologysf(dot)ning(dot)com

sizzle8
sizzle8

What a terrible situation...Jeff probably doesn't realize anymore that he is lying or how destructive it is to Scientology.  In his mind he can't conceive that he is harming his own.In his old Guardian's Office days he actually used to be a nice guy, but years of covert ops, rumor mongering and falsehoods have made him lose his personality and his integrity.Another one who is in Miscavige's valence.

barbara graham
barbara graham

I have respected Jeff ever since he tried to cover up the rape of a teenaged girl at Narconon, Watsonville.

Did I say 'respect?' I meant that other thing.

Ron
Ron

He seems to make a habit of that.

Scientology's Antagonists August 13, 2008, Lauren Smiley, SF Weekly

SFF
SFF

He didn't want to be out-ethics.

According to "Introduction to Scientology Ethics" by L. Ron Hubbard, this is a high crime:"Delivering up the person of a Scientologist without defense or protest to the demandsof civil or criminal law."

Vahjayjay
Vahjayjay

he's my total hero, tho what do you expect with "LRH" as a role model, lol -- don't forget about not calling the cops when he found out Gabe Williams at Mountain View org was repeatedly raping Jennifer Gorman (also on staff there) who was under 18 at the time.

helluva guy

NCSP
NCSP

Note his wording. He sounds halfhearted at best.

Barry Watson
Barry Watson

It's definitely an ex member or an anonymous member, or both! and now here they are trying to make a big deal out of this, it's nonsense.

Old OT7
Old OT7

Yeah, I guess you're right.  Your cult's numbers are falling off a cliff and your crimes are being exposed on a daily basis.  You're viewed with derision around the world.  Your leader beats people and your cult runs slave labor/reeducation camps.

Other than that, it guess it is nonsense...

Mark Cabian
Mark Cabian

Your miserable patter is transparent. 

Hmmmm... where was confusion on the tone scale again?  Best get ready for some time on the cans!

choocho
choocho

Hey Barry,or Louanne, most likely, you already said this with your two other accounts, Sandy and Jacquee.

Clarkle
Clarkle

You're right this is nonsense.  People are leaving the church in droves every day, so why focus on just one.

FLUNK
FLUNK

I <3 ETHICSTROUBLE.

Sandy
Sandy

Knowing the tactics of anonymous - who won't even publicly come out behind their masks to reveal their identities as they "fight" the causes that they fight -- this note could easily have come from one of their members. As for knowing the lingo - there are anons that are ex-members so that comes as no surprise. 

choocho
choocho

Well you OSA guys spend a lot, or all, of your time guerilla marketing and astroturfing the internet about how Scientology is growing, can't have anyone leaving now and joining up with the suppresive persons, can we?

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

As Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens put forth in deciding McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Comm’n 514 U.S. 334, 357 (1995);

"Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. It thus exemplifies the purpose behind the Bill of Rights, and of the First Amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from retaliation—and their ideas from suppression—at the hand of an intolerant society.

The right to remain anonymous may be abused when it shields fraudulent conduct. But political speech by its nature will sometimes have unpalatable consequences, and, in general, our society accords greater weight to the value of free speech than to the dangers of its misuse."

NCSP
NCSP

If you're so disgusted by anonymity, "Sandy," then what is your full name please? Where do you live? What is your job? Your license plate number? Who are your friends?

Scientology seems to be eager to collect information like that about protestors (many of whom, btw, are not anonymous), so it seems only fair for you to reciprocate. You *are* arguing in good faith, aren't you?

Dean Fox
Dean Fox

ANonimity has been used by many great and good men in the past; several US Presidents are known now to have used alternate identities to say things their office may prevent them from saying. Obviously this is only true of some anonymous. Many though do it to avoid such tactics as deployed against Marty Rathbun.

MrEricSir
MrEricSir

Of course Anonymous remains anonymous. That's the entire point. In a fight against a "church" that harasses, stalks, and makes physical threats against their critics, would YOU dare to speak out against them without wearing a mask?

Jaqueee
Jaqueee

These guys are tooting their own horn. That text was fabricated by a member of anon to make it seem like someone besides their own actually cares about their antics. Their protests are three-deep...no one cares.

Old OT7
Old OT7

LOL!!!  Delusion, it knows no limits.

Mark Cabian
Mark Cabian

Clearly you care about our antics.

It's okay to doubt.  Find us when you're ready to blow. 

Anonymous works.  And it helps people.

choocho
choocho

Thanks for the Scientology Office of Special Affairs internet division's perspective on this, Louanne, I mean Jaqueee.

Clarkle
Clarkle

 "Their protests are three-deep...no one cares. "   It only takes one person to spread truth, and if no one cared then why are they coming out with these graphs and doing the typical scientology harassment of its critics.

SFF
SFF

Anonymous doesn't need to make up signs of success. That's more David Miscavige's domain.

It may indeed be a troll but certainly a number of ex-Scientologists have attributed protesters as a factor in their departure.

They were particularly jarred by the fact that they were supposed to hide indoors when protesters were around so as not to be affected by any "enturbulating" information. How significant are the gains you supposed to get in Scientology if they can be undone by some kid with a sign?

Don't worry, though. Your friends have doubts too.

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