Charles Hill BART Shooting Video

• Time to upgrade their video surveillance.

• Are you serious?  I can see the argument with being without a knife after he threw it and therefore being unarmed but you are seriously going to argue that Hill threw the arm down as an attempt to disarm himself?  Did you see how far that knife went across the floor?  A person disarming themself flings the knife up in the air and it bounces a few times or simply DROPS the knife.  They don't throw it with the force shown in this video or at a person.  You have made a highly illogical conclusion here.

• If you wonder why demonstrators are protesting lethal force on BART, watch this video. I think it shows that when Hill (off camera) saw the uniformed police officers, he threw his knife DOWN, so as to disarm himself.  You can see the knife sliding across the floor. At that instant Hill was shot to death. I think there were alternatives to shooting Hill dead: one of the officers had a taser but never deployed sit.  I don't think bullets should fly in the BART.

• Anyone who wonders why demontrators are protesting BART's use of lethal force must watch this video. Hill was shot AFTER  he  threw the knife he had down and away. You can see it sliding across the smooth subway station floor.  The cops responded to a report that Hill appeared confused and armed with a knife. It has never been alleged that Hill brandished the knife or that he had threatened any person, prior to the arrival of the police. The video proves that Hill didnt throw the knife at the police, he threw the knife down in a attempt to disarm himself. I do not think his actions justify his shooting. Bullets flying in BART is bad police work. 

• Thank you Police Officers........thank you for your sacrifice in the job you do. Their are many people who believe in you, and pray that you end each shift safely to go home to be with your families. Thank you for making it safe for me to be with mine. Your job is noble, even if not appreciated by some.

• I didnt see anyone running around with a gun either...dont know what that dude was talking about

• I dont think anyone should throw knives at cops ar anyone else..pretty much a deadly weapon dontcha think? If u dont wanna get shot, dont be an a-hole

•  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxWWJaTEdD0 Pretty sure even after being trained so well that "they're the only one in the room qualified enough to handle this gun," they can still manage to shoot themselves in the foot. Idiot. Yes, even if you are trained, shooting in a crowded underground rail station - essentially a "basement" - is pretty damn stupid.

• Pretty sure cops are trained on how to fire a gun idiot.

• The video above is just one view from one camera at one vantage point.  There surely was more than that one camera in the vicinity of the shooting.  Does anyone know what other video BART has, or should have of the general area around the shooting? If any of the relevant video was "lost", or is "no longer available" or if any of the cameras in the general vicinity were said to have "malfunctioned" during the time of the shooting, what verification if any has been made, and by who? Why hasn't this additional video been released? Does BART have the needed rules and regulations in place to make sure that there isn't even the appearance of the distruction of possibly releavant video evidence of a police use of force incident?

• The BART police persons pictured above, both the "newbie" shooter and his more experienced side-kick, don't seem to have either name tags nor badges (with badge numbers). Did BART not only obscure their faces but also their name tags and badges with badge numbers)? Does anyone know if BART allows its police persons to run around without their name tags and badges while on duty and while in uniform? While whoever "negotiated' the release of the video was certainly justified in accepting a video with the identity of the shooter as well the identity of his more experience side-kick obscured if that is what it took to get it released that day, it is hard to imagine any legitimate way that a police person could claim that its "privacy" should be protected where it was videotaped, in uniform, on duty, in a public place (such as for example while shooting somebody at a BART station.) There is a good argument that a police person while on duty NEVER has an expectation of privacy (except possibly, while standing at a urinal or sitting on a commode and doing so in an orderly lawful manner). Does anyone know what if anything is claimed as the legal basis for not releasing the full unedited video, rather than a version with the BART police persons faces obscured and if they were wearing them, their name tags and badges (with badge numbers) obscured? Or, is this just a case of: we don’t want to disclose who the video taped police persons are and you can’t make us because we are police persons and we don‘t want to. ”The BART police chief was quoted in one press account as saying that a copy of the original tape, showing the BART police persons faces (and presumably also their badge numbers and name tags) would be releases eventually. If eventually why not now, while it still relevant to the disposition of the aftermath of the shooting?

• Do you not speak English? It's an expression, smartass.

• Who was running around?

• Running around a crowded, enclosed basement with a gun. What an idiot.

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