ACLU Joins the Fight Against the Circumcision Ban

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As expected, we can now add the ACLU to the list of people officially against the proposed circumcision ban in San Francisco.

Today, the organization's Northern California branch joined the Jewish Community Relations Council by filing an amicus curiae brief that urges the California Superior Court to strike down the measure and keep it off the November ballot.

Our only question is: What took the civil liberties group so long to jump on this one?


The JCRC filed its lawsuit against San Francisco's Elections Chief John Arntz last month and argued that the measure was invalid on the basis that California law prohibits local governments from banning medical procedures. City Attorney Dennis Herrera filed his own brief recently, saying the ban is unconstitutional and anti-Semitic.

The ACLU concurred, and also added that a circumcision ban discriminates against San Francisco's Jewish and Muslim residents, for whom circumcision is a common religious practice. But the ACLU says the measure raises questions about parental rights and the rights of teenage boys to make their own medical decisions.

"This is an attempt to criminalize a practice that is a fundamental religious ritual both for Jews and for Muslims," says Ethan Schulman, an attorney representing ACLU.

Matt Hess, who wrote the measure, told SF Weekly last month that his intention was to stop "male genital mutilation" -- not discriminate against any religious group.

Schulman says he expects Judge Loretta M. Giorgi to make a swift ruling against the ban when the case goes before her on July 28.

"But you never know," he adds, laughing.

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Anthony Zarat
Anthony Zarat

Another shameful, sexist, discriminatory, feminist organization denies bodily integrity to boys.  Of course, any thoughts of religious rights go out the window when a girl's body is cut.  Hipocritical feminist bafoons.

Brinxster
Brinxster

I'm a ACLU member and after looking into this apparently since the Jewish community is supportive of doing this to children, the ACLU in that area jumped on with them to protect their image as pro-Jewish regardless of how wrong this is and violating the 14th Amendment Rights of children.

It really is sad to see the ACLU sell out to religion like this saying that a circumcision ban would violate religious people's 1st Amendment Rights while ignoring the child himself, the one we really should be thinking of first and foremost.

They normally do good work standing up for the rights of the defenseless... do boys just not count to the ACLU?

Neil_Andy
Neil_Andy

unnecessary surgery compensation If you were the victim of unnecessary surgery and injury and medical negligence causes you to suffer, then you could have right to receive compensation for your injuries. The patient always trust that a doctor always knows the right thing and prescribe things that are good for your health. However there are thousands of cases every year in which patients become victims of medical negligence. 

Frank McGinness
Frank McGinness

re: Cock Fight Proof circumcision is so painful they can faint.1st youth- A relief from the Sixth Dynasty tomb on Ankh-ma-Hor at Saqquara portrays the circumcision of two puberty-aged youths. (Figure 2) A mortuary priest squats on his haunches before one standing youth whose hands are firmly held by an assistant. In the left hand, the priest holds the boy's penis and in the right is what appears to be a circular flint with which he is removing the prepuce. The priest says to his assistant, "Hold him and don't let him faint." The assistant responds, "I will do as you request." 2nd youth (possible the same youth)- The second youth also stands before a squatting mortuary priest (Figure 3). His left hand rests on the priest's head; the right hand is by his side. He says to the priest, "Thoroughly rub off what is there." The priest who holds the penis in his left hand and is prepared to operate with the large flint knife responds, "I will cause it to heal." Two separate individuals appear to be represented, but it has been suggested that perhaps two stages of the rite of circumcision are being portrayed.

Nelson Mandela said his circumcision was so painful - it was blinding white light of electrical fire that burned throughout all his veins.

"Terror Attacks in the Name of Religion by Lindsey Murdoch PAIN: 3,928 island villagers males&females all ages forced circ'd into Islam by Muslim clerics

Frank McGinness
Frank McGinness

South African Medical Association's Human Rights, Law & Ethics Committee stated that it was unethical and illegal to perform circumcision on infant boys. The Committee expressed serious concern not enough scientifically-based evidence was available to confirm circumcisions prevented HIV contraction and the public at large was influenced by incorrect and misrepresented information.

The official viewpoint of KNMG and other related medical/scientific organisations is that non-therapeutic circumcision of male minors is a violation of children’s rights to autonomy and physical integrity. Contrary to popular belief, circumcision can cause complications – bleeding, infection, urethral stricture and panic attacks are particularly common. KNMG is therefore urging a strong policy of deterrence. KNMG is calling upon doctors to actively and insistently inform parents who are considering the procedure of the absence of medical benefits and the danger of complications.

Frank McGinness
Frank McGinness

It always hurts more when done by people you trust.

Because of the Northern Calif. Chapter of the ACLU, I am now not an ACLU - member 65821415. As of last month, the National ACLU no longer receives my monthly money after all these years. Apparently this chapter, NOT to be confused with the national ACLU actions, believes not in the United Nations Rights of the Child, nor of individual rights conferred at birth over state, community, and family. This ACLU chapter et al. would in fact celebrate forced male circumcision of ANY male under age 18. This is a gross violation of human rights.They think it okay for a 15 year old to surrender to peer or family pressure. What is next? Forced circumcision in the elective service for the good of ol' USA? (see a few small extreme governments). Though the mind is not fully mature until age 26 when it can resist outside influential pressures, the USA has agreed to age 18 as the age of maturity (remember when it was strictly 21?).

So I say to Northern California ACLU:TELL THIS to the hundred plus dead boys who die in the USA every year. (SEE Jamaal this year - to medically understand see cirp org Dr. John Taylor Newsletter October re: circumcision's extreme detrimental exertions on the not fully developed heart and internal organs  http://huff.to/iSuT6s ).  Deaths 117 to 200+ :

http://tinyurl.com/27ue7s8 (2010) Infant #circumcision causes 117 neonatal deaths/year in US, 115 die of SIDS, 44 die of suffocation. #i2

It's been known 40+ years, there is no medical indication for routine male circumcision. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... "Doctor Discusses Circumcision Controversy" I say they are all culpable.

TELL THIS to Melanie Hall, a caring mother. re:Boy's botched circumcision leads to $4.6 million award. (The tangible rewards in dollars and genital sense stem from the words of the ACOG and AAP and now ACLU, religious groups in this case notwithstanding.) http://www.presstelegram.com/b...

But here, let's include the religious memes netting the SAME results:CA Jury awarded$429,484 infant's glans pulled into circumcision clamp,cut off,doctor says parents accepted risk.Tank v.Berberich 5/12/09 http://tinyurl.com/mxkf2z

SO-Do you think it's okay to cut off part of someone's body without their permission? Yes or No. (there's no middle ground...)WELL-I think it is wrong to mark the body of a child for identification whether it is with tattoo or scarification (circumcision) or amputating health parts (circumcision). Children should not be used as billboards for their parental beliefs, gang, religious, or fetish:

http://www.davidwilton.com/fil...  Download GMC Findings re Bracka Unfit to Practice Medicine (Circumcision fetish doctor to mostly underage males). (see also circlist).http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...  Jewish American Scholar Leonard Glick - Circumcision (evil).

yamyam
yamyam

Big surprise. The ACLU is a jewish heavy organization. (And no, I'n not being anti-semitic and starting another Holocaust.)

I have been a card-carrying member of the ACLU for years but am withdrawing over this.

What civil liberty is more important than a baby boy getting to keep his dick intact?

Anthony Zarat
Anthony Zarat

They are heavy in feminist man haters.  Barbaric atrocities commited against infant boys is the hallmark of the feminist religion.

MarilynMilos,RN
MarilynMilos,RN

The negative comments about the ACLU blame the organization for not protecting those who need to be protected from having a normal part of their body cut off without their consent. The ACLU must understand that baby and child are protected by the Constitution to their own religious freedom (First Amendment), security of person (Fourth Amendment), and equal protection under the law (Fourteenth Amendment). But, it's not the organization that is protecting the genital cutters, it's people within the ACLU that are speaking for the whole organization. Who are they? What is behind their stand that allows someone with a scalpel to ignore the rights of the child and to main a perfect baby? Could it be a belief? A religious belief? Let's get the names of the people in the ACLU who authorized a stand that goes against everything the ACLU is supposed to stand for. Who are you people anyway?

Mark Barnes
Mark Barnes

I am opposed to the ban.

Frank McGinness
Frank McGinness

DID you not also support New York's position to circumcise gay men based on the 3 African HIV trials even though there was no proof of protection for Gays? (Only later did such a position prove to be folly as studies then show no circ/HIV protection for Gays.

DID you not also support New York's stance to not take action against the mohel who transmitted his Herpes infection to 3 infant boys, (1 died, 1 mentally retarded) by sucking the their bloodied penises?

If not,then do you support theses two actions?

Kathi
Kathi

Good for the ACLU, although this is expected to lose 4 to 1.  Why don't the posters worry about their own children (if they even have them) then trying to parent others? This is all such nonsence.  Under dog - indeed. For a good reason.  The comic book certainly showed what kind of people are behind this. Oh......for the people posting.........news flash....... Muslim boys are circumcised too.

Anthony Zarat
Anthony Zarat

Have your head circumcised, so that you can learn to think.

Hugh x
Hugh x

The ACLU has lost its way when it moves to protect the power of the strong to impose on the weak. Kathi, the ACLU is about intervening between them, to protect civil liberites. In this case, it should be protecting the right of men to practise their own religion, whatever it may be, without having had another cut into their flesh before they could resist.

Yes, the comic books, #1 about "medical" circumcision (97% of all US circumcision), #2 about religious circumcision (it could equally have been about the Muslim variant), #3 about tribal, male and female, do indeed show that that this movement is about human rights. The ACLU should be too.

kathi
kathi

The comic book could have been about Muslims? Huh? I guess we are expected to just take your word for it.  Well #2 was not.....it wasn't about anyone else. It looked like something stolen from 1939 Germany. Don't try to pretend it was anything else.  The publisher is proud of #2 and has said so in many different quotes.  The ACLU is protecting minority religions (the small) in this county. Getting checkbook to make a donaton to them.

Frank McGinness
Frank McGinness

Comic book #2, I don't remember 1939 Germany showing drawings of compassionate Jewish families and parents. Did Germans try to stop Jews from circumcising the genital of children? The ONLY people negatively are those who cut up children. Children do not see those who cut on them as "good guys" for a reason.

Hugh x
Hugh x

It's ironic that the ACLU's amicus brief is based on the statute that "No city, county or city and county shall prohibit a healing arts professional licensed with the state ... from engaging in any act or performing any procedure that falls within the professionally recognized scope of practice of that licensee." when it is acting on behalf of a group of organisations that allow NON-healing-arts-professionals to do it, NOT as a part of any professionally recognised scope of practice.

It is highly arguable, and should be argued, that non-therapeutic neonatal circumcision does NOT fall within the professionally recognised scope of practice of healing arts professionals.

sailcat
sailcat

Were a parent to express the desire to have unnecessary cosmetic surgery performed on a new born baby, there would be a loud public outcry to prevent such a frivolous surgery from being inflicted on an infant. MGM, on the other hand, is both unnecessary and disfiguring despite the objections of religious organizations who claim the contrary. I would wager that the very men who are attempting an end run around SF's courageous efforts to halt this barbaric practice would have to think long and hard about the procedure if an attempt were made to perform it on them as adults and without anesthesia, just as it is inflicted upon newborn babes.

MarilynMilos,RN
MarilynMilos,RN

Only by denying the existence of excruciating pain, encoding of the brain with violence, interruption of the maternal/infant bond, the risks and effects of permanently altering normal genitlia, the right of human beings to sexually intact and functional bodies, and the right to individual religious freedoms can the ACLU or anyone else condone genital cutting of infants and children. There is no place for anachronistic blood rituals in civilized society.

Nlhill79
Nlhill79

So how bout the folks who have to leave the country to practice their religious beliefs to have their daughters labia forcefully removed and vagina sewn closed???? ACLU your being discriminatory against them!! Fight for the right for someone to practice their religion upon Others' bodies.

Doula Lee Tury
Doula Lee Tury

Total crap ACLU!  Grow some balls!  You know damn well this is wrong on a million levels!  You know it!

Anthony Zarat
Anthony Zarat

They are feminists, they believe that males are beasts.

Dan Bollinger
Dan Bollinger

What poppycock! The inalienable right of the defenseless child trumps the right of parents to sexually abuse and scar their offspring. The ACLU is anti-child and pro-foreskin-fetishists.

Hugh x
Hugh x

I think Dan means "pro-circumcision-fetishists" - or as they prefer to call themselves, "circumsexuals", people who get off on the idea of circumcising. They have conventions and websites.

Frank McGinness
Frank McGinness

Download GMC Findings re Bracka Unfit to Practice Medicine (Circumcision fetish doctor to mostly underage males talks them into circ. and has sex with them).

TLCTugger
TLCTugger

The ACLU usually takes courages stands, defending even reprehensible causes like Nazis' right to demonstrate because our constitution  is so sacred.  HOW can they not see that the underdog in this fight - who NEEDS their help - is the defenseless child whose religioous freedom is being denied.  HOW can they not see that the law ALREADY outlaws non-therapeutic amputation (from every other gender, at any other age, to any other body part) and that the ban is really just closing a loophole of customary failure to prosecute for the mayhem, wounding, mutilation, malpractice that infant foreskin ampution is?   

Anthony Zarat
Anthony Zarat

They are feminist cowards.  They have no backbone and no moral compass.  They support violent atrocities, as long as the victims are male.  There can be no greater shame than to support the ACLU.

Barry B
Barry B

The ACLU should be defending the children's right to an intact body - NOT helping those forcing unwanted cosmetic sexual surgery on unconsenting infants.  If they could speak, ten out of ten babies would say "NO!" to circumcision.

Anthony Zarat
Anthony Zarat

The ACLU is a bigoted feminist libearl organization that belives that violence and mutilation is a good thing, as long as the victims are men ... and helpless baby boys.

Joseph Lewis
Joseph Lewis

Molest a child, you go to prison. Cut off a piece of a male child's genitals, it's your "legal right." Seriously ACLU? I know at least one person who is no longer supporting ACLU over this.

"California law prohibits local governments from banning medical procedures," but it has to be pointed out what statutes these unethical people are using; they're using a statute that was enstated to allow vets to declaw cats. How absolutely horrible. Also, let's say that the above clause (pun not intended) was legit; it needs to be asked, how exactly is it a "medical procedure" to cut a chunk off of a healthy child's genitals? Without medical or clinical indication, can a doctor even be performing surgery on a healthy, non-consenting child, much less stoke his parents' sense of entitlement?

This law is NOT anti-Semitic. 97% of all circumcisions in America are secular, non-Jewish circumcisions in hospitals. The ban is against ALL of it. To exclude Jewish boys from the protection of the law would be "anti-Semitic."

There is already a federal ban on female genital cutting that prohibits even the tiniest "ritual nick." Last year the AAP tried to endorse a "ritual nick" that admittedly would not even compare to male circumcision, but that never flew, not even in the name of so-called "religion."

Parents can't slash their children's heads on the holy day of Ashura, prevent their children from getting needed medical care, tattoo their children, or inject botox to them. It's against the law. If parents could do whatever they wanted with their children there wouldn't be a need for child protective services.

The ACLU protects the "rights of the parent," but what about the rights of the child? What other part of the body can a parent choose to remove because it's "a parent's right?" I believe the only such body part that exists is the foreskin. You can never cut off any other healthy part of the body, not even if it's your "religion."

This is nothing but special pleading. The ACLU is siding with "parental choice" on this one because it would be unpopular not to. SHAME on the ACLU for not standing up for the rights of children.

Kathi
Kathi

Are large number of Jewish or Muslim men joining your cause to complain about their circumcision?  No - just one here and there.  Clearly these supporters are truly religious bigots.

Anthony Zarat
Anthony Zarat

Many females support female genital mutiliation.  The vast majority of FGM is carried out by females.  Your argument is as irrelevant as you are.

sailcat
sailcat

Nonsense. Genital mutilation for any reason must be resisted, regardless of gender. The hypocritical view that MGM is bad when inflicted on girls but acceptable when performed upon male babes indicates a callous and misandrystic disregard for the rights infant boys. Shame.

Frank McGinness
Frank McGinness

You say "religious bigots" because -there's no mention of religion; that is doesn't apply to everyone. Do you not think Jewish and Muslim boys deserve the same protection too?

Joshua Shaffer
Joshua Shaffer

How vile.

So a Newborn's genitals are free to be surgically maimed at the whim of a parent, so long as those genitals are male.

So religious blood rituals are perfectly acceptable to force on the genitals of children, so long as said religion is Judaism.

Muslims aren't allowed to cut the genitals of females, not even a ritual knick of the clitoral hood is legal which is far less damaging than male genital mutilation. Religious belief doesn't require "health benefits"

So effectively, you're picking and choosing which religious rituals are ok or not without any basis to govern them.

You can either de-criminalize the similar forms of Genital Mutilation for the female on the grounds of "religious freedom" which includes removing of the clitoral hood and part of the labia. Or you can protect all children from having their genitals sacrificed in the names of sexually repressed and bloodthirsty deities.

Not even to mention that Religious Male Circumcision is only acceptable in an America where the constitution is invalid.

Who's life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness is being infringed on the most, the infant who is having his genitals cut, or the adult who is not allowed to cut the genitals of the infant?

kathi
kathi

Huh? Religious Male Circumcision is only acceptable in America?  Really -outlawed in all the countries in Europe these days? Where do you get this stuff.

Frank McGinness
Frank McGinness

South African Medical Association's Human Rights, Law & Ethics Committee stated that it was unethical and illegal to perform circumcision on infant boys. The Committee expressed serious concern not enough scientifically-based evidence was available to confirm circumcisions prevented HIV contraction and the public at large was influenced by incorrect and misrepresented information. The official viewpoint of KNMG and other related medical/scientific organisations is that non-therapeutic circumcision of male minors is a violation of children’s rights to autonomy and physical integrity. Contrary to popular belief, circumcision can cause complications – bleeding, infection, urethral stricture and panic attacks are particularly common. KNMG is therefore urging a strong policy of deterrence. KNMG is calling upon doctors to actively and insistently inform parents who are considering the procedure of the absence of medical benefits and the danger of complications.

James Mac
James Mac

All children deserve the right to keep all the body parts they were born with, so it follows that all boys deserve the right to keep all of their penis. 

When the Sunni and Shi'a Muslims bring traditional Day of 'Ashura celebrations to Northern California, will you be standing up for the rights of the parents to slash the foreheads of children with razors, or will you be standing up for the children? 

Just because something is ancient or holy, it doesn't mean it's not abusive. For god's sake, if you don't stand for human rights, what do you stand for???

http://babelimages.photoshelte...

LegalizeForeskin
LegalizeForeskin

This is why the ACLU won't see another dime from me again. Civil liberties for everyone except those who don't wish to have part of their genitals cut off without consent.

Ian Brett Cooper
Ian Brett Cooper

I used to be a member of the ACLU. Never again! This, as far as I'm concerned, is the final straw. If the ACLU won't protect the rights of the child against parental abuse, what use are they?

Elizabethfrantes
Elizabethfrantes

Every single one of you anticirc nutters are clearly obsessed with smegma . ..most of you far too interested in the penises of children to be anything but dangerously creepy at your best.

Anthony Zarat
Anthony Zarat

The vile post by the feminist "Elizabethfrantes" needs to be removed, and the vile hateful bigot "Elizabethfrantes" needs to be banned.

Frank McGinness
Frank McGinness

Seriously? What's worse those obsessed with trying to protect children or those obsessed with cutting up children's genitals?

Guest
Guest

Gert your labia removed. It's FULL of smegma and stinks.

Craig
Craig

Once again the ACLU fails to side with the helpless, the ones without a voice. Once again the ACLU decides to stand by a double standard: one where girls are protected from all forms of genital cutting (even ones less severe than male circumcision), but boys are left defenseless.

What happened to fighting for the rights of the individual? Genital cutting of a child, regardless of gender, is a human rights violation. Why can't the ACLU see that? Sigh...

Our best hope is to educate parents-to-be about the value and function of the tissue removed by circumcision. It's erogenous tissue (no surprise there) and plays an important role in sex.

sailcat
sailcat

The ACLU is no better than any other corporation. They follow popular causes because they leave a trail of cash like a slug leaves a trail of slime. Individual rights are no longer an issue, sadly.

Craig
Craig

Once again the ACLU fails to side with the helpless, the ones without a voice. Once again the ACLU decides to stand by a double standard: one where girls are protected from all forms of genital cutting (even ones less severe than male circumcision), but boys are left defenseless.

What happened to fighting for the rights of the individual? Genital cutting of a child, regardless of gender, is a human rights violation. Why can't the ACLU see that? Sigh...

Our best hope is to educate parents-to-be about the value and function of the foreskin. The foreskin is erogenous tissue (no surprise there) and plays an important role in sex.http://coloradonocirc.org/anat...

jsstrand
jsstrand

I find it difficult to believe that the ACLU would be against a measure aimed at protecting the rights of the infant to be protected against MGM. Females are legally protected from FGM by legislation since the mid-90's.  It's way past time for individual males to be afforded the right to make an informed choice on circumcision as an adult rather than having an irreversible cosmetic procedure perpetrated on them as defenseless infants  I wish the American Civil Liberties Union had been around to protect my rights to grow up with intact genitalia instead of the unwanted and badly botched circ I got as an infant. I think the ACLU needs to think about whose rights they should be protecting first.

Frank McGinness
Frank McGinness

It's not the national ACLU. It's one chapter - the Northern Calif. ACLU. Chapters act locally. So far the national ACLU has not found this worthwhile as needing national attention.

Elizabethfrantes
Elizabethfrantes

Circumcision has nothing to do with female genital mutilation.  Too bad you didn't get it . ..which would be removal of the penis.  And take your fantasies of licking male children's penises to NAMBLA , ,, you anticirc nuts are probably even too much for them to accept.

Frank McGinness
Frank McGinness

Here are some studies that show a correlation between female circumcision and

a lowered HIV transmission rate. I somehow doubt that the WHO or UNAIDS would

ever take them seriously though.

Stallings et al. 2009

"Risk of HIV among women who had undergone Female Circumcision is roughly

half that of women who had not. Association remained significant after

adjusting for region, household, wealth, age, lifetime partners and union

status."

Female circumcision and HIV infection in Tanzania:

For better or for worse?

3rd IAS conference on HIV pathogenesis and treatment

International AIDS Society

"Women who have undergone Female Circumcision have a significantly decreased

risk of HIV-2 infection when compared to those who had not."

Kanki P, M'Boup S, Marlink R, et al.

"Prevalence & risk determinants of HIV type 2

(HIV-2) and human immunodeficiency virus type 1

(HIV1) in west African female prostitutes

Am. J. Epidemiol. 136 (7): 895-907. PMID

You might tell me that female circumcision causes all this damage, that women

lose the ability to orgasm. "Studies show" that male circumcision "doesn't

affect satisfaction", and thus this is why circumcision can be recommended.

But did you know, studies ALSO show that women who have been circumcised do

not lose their ability to orgasm? In fact, women who have undergone

infibulation, which is the worst kind of female genital mutilation in the

world, are still able to orgasm.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...

http://www.newscientist.com/ar...

reduce-sexual-activity.html

Still, others claim that having one´s labia removed actually INCREASES

"satisfaction."

http://www.labiaplastysurgeon....

Please understand that I am in no way trying to justify female circumcision:

The point that I'm trying to make to you is that when something is wrong,

when something is a human rights violation, it doesn't matter how many

studies have been written for it. It doesn't matter if it´s couched in

medical terms. It doesn't matter that it is performed in a clean environment

by doctors, with clean utensils and pain killers. Genital mutilation is

genital mutilation, whether it is performed on women or men.

sailcat
sailcat

Elizabeth, your eagerness to draw a line separating female genital mutilation (bad) from male genital mutilation (acceptable) clearly shows your views as being both hypocritical and misandrysic. There is nothing more deranged than holding a newborn baby in your arms and announcing he/she is perfect except for his/her genitalia, and permitting an act of violence to be performed upon the child to correct that nonexistent flaw. Outrageous.

jsstrand
jsstrand

elizabethfrantes -  as to the differences and similarities between MGM and FGM, you are woefully uniformed and ignorant - you would be well advised to do some in-depth research before posting - as to your nambla crack, I guess apparently you do not know that sucking the freshly circumcised infant penis is indeed a part of some jewish mohels bris ritual which continues in this day and age so you are accusing the wrong group - again, do some research. It's also apparent  you are unaware you procirc nuts do indeed have some special groups and you can start with the gilgal bunch.  Please, before you post again here, or anywhere else for that matter on this subject,  it would be nice if you knew what you were talking about.

Vmab99
Vmab99

as usual more bullshit about mgm what about tonsilectomies are you going to ban those as well?

Hugh x
Hugh x

The proposed initiative would allow medically necessary circumcisions. It just puts an age-restriction on medically UNnecessary circumcisions.

James Loewen
James Loewen

THe only legitimate comparison one can make between male genital mutilation (MGM) of baby boys and tonsillectomies is that both were needless surgeries that were abused. 

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