'Parental Alienation Syndrome' Unlikely to Be Included in DSM-5

• The ones that were hoping it wasn't included...what does one call it when a parent influences a child to turn against the other parent based upon lies and false allegations?  I keep reading how so many are grateful that it will not be included, is that because they are dodging the truth and don't want to be categorized as an alienating parent?  You should know that alienation of a child is already considered in Family Law code in California when the court is rendering a decision regarding custody.  The father-hating is pretty sad for the children.  

• "When the rights of a known abuser with a history of battery, rape or any other  deleterious crime takes priority over the rights of a safe parent, guardian, or child advocate then we know our society is in trouble." And what if the person is not a "a known abuser with a history of battery, rape or any other  deleterious crime"... or is it that all father's should be thought of this as soon as they (heaven forbid) decide to end their marriage?

• Oh and I would like to add - I don't Believe that Parental Alienation is a Syndrome, I believe that it is a CRIME, and anyone committing the act (Mother or FATHER) should be charged with Child Abuse.

• "Parental alienation syndrome (abbreviated as PAS) is a controversial term introduced by Richard A. Gardner in the early 1980s to refer to what he describes as a disorder in which a child, on an ongoing basis, belittles and insults one parent without justification, due to a combination of factors, including indoctrination by the other parent (almost exclusively as part of a child custody dispute) and the child's own attempts to denigrate the target parent." Tell me, Peter Jamison, where in this definition to you get "the theory of PAS holds that women brainwash their children, in the context of disputed child-custody cases, to hold delusions of sexual abuse by their fathers" ??? Sounds like someone is fishing for controversy, or else is extremely ignorant... I sincerely hope that you, or your sons, or your daughters never have to go thru the pain of being alienated from their children as I have. You sir, sound to be an insensitive clod that has not even taken the time to look at both sides of the story. Good Day.

• I'm sorry that I can't give you any more words of wisdom. But I can't.  There is too much going on with your family.  Continuing down the current path will only lead to further devastation especially to the children. The only thing that we are all in control of is our own actions.  Nothing else. I suggest telling the other parent that you will work with their therapist if the other parent pays the fees.  Since this is a major concession; the other parent should agree. Remember you stated that you are willing to give up custody all together.  Do what you have to for the children. 

• Spartan your advise to select a therapist with the other parent was not well thought out.  The other parent will only agree to a very expensive therapist at the clinic where the other parent has friends.  I have no money for this and have offered full custody to avoid bankrupcy.  The other parent is now claiming that I am abandoning the children.  The other parent has filed charges against me and told the kids that I can't take care of them.  The system is very flawed and the children are now living in hell.  I am told that the older two kids are sucidial and on drugs.  The kids have been with the other parent for six months and are doing poorly.  It is easy to say "work together" with the other parent but when the other parent won't consider anything other than what they want, it is deadly.  You said I was in control, control of what?  I am not able to see my kids or talk to them.  The kids have injuries that have been excused away by the other parent, and nobody does anything to help.  The kid's grades have dropped and theyv'e gotten into trouble at school.  I get reports but can do nothing about any of it.  You have supported the other parent into destroying the lives of four children.  Pay your taxes so the county can support them on the path to being society's problems.  I can't watch this nightmare anymore and do nothing.  I am moving away.  You are part of the problem, you and idiots like Gardner who think they know it all and won't admit they were wrong.  Gardner took his own life as an escape from the pain, what are my kids suppose to do to escape the pain they're in?!  My heart is broken in a million pieces over this nightmare.  I love my kids more than my own life but am unable to help them in any way, thanks to stupid claims by know-it-alls that have no idea what has happened.  The kids have tried multiple times to tell the world what they know and want, but the "adults" claim they know what is best.  The kids are the ones who have to live with the deadly decisions of stupid adults.  It looks nice on paper but the reality is that the kids are living in hell. 

• Reply to ParentWithKids...  Thank you for taking the time to provide ample detail.  It sounds as if you have had a difficult time.  Even more importantly your children have been placed in the middle of a protracted battle.  It is obvious that you and the other parent's stances have not worked so far.   If you want things to continue going down this path; stay the course.  If you want things to change; make concessions. Based on your statements... There is no doubt in my mind that you have the propensity to share your feelings with your children.  Depending what you say and how you say it can have lasting impact on your children.  You want things to change?  You are in control. I suggest that you work with the other parent on selecting one therapist for the two of you if not the children.  At the end of the day you will not be worse off than you are today.  This is especially true given that you are willing to give up your children. Stop the cycle.

• 1.  I am being accused of telling the children that the other parent isn't a good parent and that the kids aren't safe with that parent. 2.  All of the kids have complained about:  being locked out of the house, that food is kept in a locked file cabinet, they have been made to wear wet clothes because the dryer didn't work, being pulled from school, having not enough to eat, not being allowed to bathe separately, excessive chores, not getting enough sleep, being taken to the bar or other places where they are to sit and wait while the other parent visits.  Regarding the other parent being absent, the children have questioned why wasn't the other parent at functions before the divorce.  They have stated that the other parent was never there to do anything with them, so why now. 3.  Both of us worked.  The other parent has a job that is seasonal and takes them out of town on occation.  The other parent spent most of the weekends with friends at the bar.  I took care of the children, my job, and our home without help from the other parent.  Even during the other parents winter lay-off, the kids were put into daycare so the other parent could hang with friends. 4.  The other parent has one DUI, that I am aware of. 5.  To date, there have been five counselors involved with our case.  There has been limited communication between them.  They all feel they know what is best and that their clinic should be the only one handling our case.  Each has their own idea of what they feel would be the best solution for counseling.  The counselor and clinic that is doing the evaluation feels they should have the final say in the matter.  It should be noted that the other parent does kid counseling at this clinic.  The kids have expressed a desire to do their counseling locally with a counselor that they are comfortable with, not the one the other parent takes them to.  The other parent has not done individual counseling only family, even though it was strongly recommended by the court that individual counseling take place.

• The child have been locked out of the other parent's house multiple times.  The police were called on one occasion when the children were bussed to the other parent's home and the other parent was out of town.  The children were sent per the court order, and there was no communication from the other parent about a change in schedule.  Also, our oldest son called the police when the other parent was consuming alcohol; a violation of the court order which states neither parent is to consume any alcohol during or 12 hours prior to their parenting time.  The other parent has driven the children home after having alcohol more than once.  The neglectfulness of the other parent has caused the children injuries that have been documented by medical, social, and education personnel.  Each time the other parent was only verbally scolded and that was it.  Our second son has been grabbed by the collar and thrown into the snow by the other parent because the child shut the door too loudly.  The kids have been denied attending after-school programs, sports, 4-H, church programs, and restricted from contact with others.  All of the phone calls the kids make are monitored and limited by the other parent.  Any gifts the other parent may give the kids are to be kept at that parents home, this included the watches, candy, and money that the kids wanted to use for a school field trip.  It should also be noted that the boys and treated very differently than the girls.  The boys have no toys at the other parents home while the girls have an abundance of toys.  The boys have chores, the girls don't.  The kids range in age from 8 to 14 years old.  The boys are the ones having the toughest time with the other parent.  The girls are okay.

• NeverGiveUP... Thank you for showing your true colors and demostrating your thought process.  If she or her children were in danger it would have come out in her post.  You are not being helpful. 

• You are now in the PAS Trap...it is a phrase that sets in motion an unimaginable machine consisting of Minor's Counsels, Forensic Psychological Child Custody Evaluators, Reunification Therapists, Visitation Monitors, Mediators, Arbitrators and therapists of every kind. The first question I must ask. Are you or your children in physical danger?

• Questions for you: 1. What are accused of saying to your kids? 2. From your perspective he may have been an absent father but do the children feel this way? 3. Why was he not there for you?  Work? Going out with friends?  Why? 4. Has he had any DUIs? 5. How many counselors have been involved?  Are the counselors talking to each other?  If yes, have they developed a plan to address the issues?

• Why has your son not been able to see his father Loredana?

• Hello; does anyone know where i can get more information on parental alienation? My son hasn't been able to see his father for a few years now.  any help would be greatly appreciated. thank you. loredana brigandi 

• What do you do when you are being accused of alienating the kids from the other parent?  I have been court ordered to complete a parent alienation syndrome evaluation.  I have been the main caregiver for the children their whole lives.  The other parent was usually uninvolved or absent during most of the infant years of the children.  The other parent has a problem with alcohol but denies it.  There has been counseling for the children with each parent and separate counselors.  Each counselors agrees with the parent they are working with.  The custody is 50-50, each parent has the children for six months at a time.  The kids hate this set-up and have struggled to adjust.  They wish to live with me, but when the expressed that to the other parent, parent alienation charges were brought to the judge.  I have compliled with the court order in every way and am in the process of going through the evaluation.  The other parent has violated the court order more than once, and has been neglectful of the children, but nothing was done about it.  My problem now, is that I don't have the money to fight these charges.  The other parent has the funds to put me into bankruptcy.  I don't know what to do.  I love the children more than you can imagine and I want to be involved in their lives but I can't afford to fight this stuff.  I offered to give full custody to the other parent in order to stop the financial drain but the other parent didn't want the kids full time, just control over them to make all decisions about everything at any time without limits.  I am divorced from this person because I couldn't be a doormat any more and put the kids and myself through any more pain.  I want to have a life of my own and be able to include the kids without this dictatorship.  What am I to do?

• JJ,  you are the mop up crew that comes out of the woodwork when protective parents try to expose how the Courts hand over their vulnerable children to abusers.... to be molested and killed. Those of us that work to protect children have no sympathy for your disappointment. As hard as you try, bad mouthing parents bare no moral equivalence to the parents that kill and or molest their children. These issues are not even on the same planet... accept, that ALL the parents of dead and molested children exposed by Peter Jamison who tried desperately to protect their children in the Courts were accused of bad mouthing the other parent, lying to the Court, and accused of PAS. And... in each of these cases evidence was ignored because PAS was believed and the protector was looked at with suspicion of ulterior motives and punished... Countless numbers of children have died this way. In every case this idiot PAS campaign that you fight so hard to promote is responsible for the pain, misery and the loss of life of at least 141 children since baby Wyatt was killed on February 20, 2010.

• You need to check your facts... You may be surprised to find out that significantly more mothers kill their children than do fathers.  Should we then draw the conclusion that all mothers are devils?  Food for thought for (NeverGiveUP and Coldnorthwind and other like minded mothers)

• What you are discribing is idiot judges and experts in action.  I can cite many cases to support my point as well.  PAS is real whether you wish to believe it or not.  I have seen it in action and the impact is significant for years to come.  If experts spend an appropriate amount of time with the family they can spot it "easily".  It is when they don't spend enough time that bad things happen (both ways). It is the system... I hope that I'm not wasting my time trying to expose you to this point.  Bottom line you and I addressing problems with the system together will be more effective than going head to head. 

• For anyone that thinks that there is any substance to what knuckleheads like this have to say… This exchange is clear.  There is no substance to their argument.     Facts: - Judges/Commissioners in family court are there by default (very few judges are there because they aspire to be there)… In other words we are dealing with primarily the bottom of the barrel.  Those that aspire to be in this position care and pay attention to the details.- Rarely have I seen a Judge review and fix an error.  Most stand behind errors citing judicial discretion.  Therefore errors don’t get corrected and escalate to bigger and more debilitating problems.- The Judges, Court Appointed Experts (Forensic Accounts, Therapists, Real Estate, Custody Evaluators, Etc.), Attorneys, etc are too cozy.  They work together; train each other; build trust to the point that the facts of each individual case are overlooked via blind trust.  - Therapists, Psychologists and Psychiatrists are not all made the same.  Few are great; some are good and most are worse than worthless.  When you are lucky to get a great one… The hysteria in court nullifies that greatness.  The end result is that these people don’t wish to participate as court appointed experts.  Most don’t spend enough time with the family unit to understand the dynamics.  This is especially true when a TRO is involved where you can’t have the father and the mother together in one room.- All high conflict (involving custody) divorces degrade the family’s economic and emotional stability.  They are worse off after the attempted fix (divorce) than before.  It takes years if ever to recover from the stupidity of putting the family in the hands of the dysfunctional system.   Bottom line, this has nothing to do with PAS.  It has everything to do with a dysfunctional system which we enable because GOOD mothers and fathers are not unifying in fighting the injustice called family court.  We all need to do everything in our power to unite against this insidious industry that not only takes our hard earned resources but sucks our blood and robs us of our oxygen.  Wake up.   Here’s a quick view of PAS. - During the Custody Evaluation – The eleven year old was asked if she recalled an incident where the father was yelling at the mother and she fell running up the stairs to get away from her angry father.  The daughter said no.- At sixteen – The daughter, during an unrelated conversation, tells father.  Dad do you remember that during an argument with mom in the kitchen I got scared and ran away and tripped on the stairs and got hurt? Father says although I remember the specific event in the kitchen, I don’t recall you getting hurt.  Father asked why are you asking me about this now.  She replies, “Because it has been bothering me.  Mom kept telling me about this happening but I don’t remember.  It is really bothering me… Father asks; when did this happen.  Daughter responds “after I spoke to the custody evaluator, mom was trying to remind me of me tripping and getting hurt.  But I can’t remember… Did that ever happen?”   This is just a simple event of PAS.  A simple attempt of mom attempting to get support and sympathy of the daughter, turns into an internal conflict years later.   Do fathers do this?  I believe that all parents have the ability to do this.  You can call it Parental Alienation Syndrome (PAS), you can call it attempts to get sympathy for parent’s challenges, you can call it asking for kids’ support of taking the step of divorce, you can call it many different things.  Bottom line, this is wrong and harms children.   Wake up!

• Dave, I have seen this one on before, I suspect she is a troll.  Or he?  Either way, this individual is convinced that family court is against mothers, regardless of all the evidence to the contrary, this indvidual seeks to claim that fathers, most of them, are abusers if they go to court to get custody.  You can't reason with this one!  He/she is too far gone, evidence or anything will only serve to heighten his/her paranoia of a court system that does not exist in reality!  If you bring to this person's attention that mothers and their live in BFs do the majority of child abuse/murder, they will think you are crazy.  In this individuals mind, woman=victim, man = perpetrator/predator.  There is no other explanation!  Move on from this one, its the only thing you can do!

• lol...I don't believe you.  Fathers have NO RIGHTS in family court all over the western world.  It probably took this father a few years and half a million dollars himself just to get where he is with his children.  I have to believe based on all the cases I have heard, seen, and read about, that you are a t a loss for words that one judge felt compelled to give a father "rights" to a kid.  Against a mothers wishes, therefore the father and court system are corrupt abusers.  However, the past thirty years has shown that 84% of mothers receive physical custody, usually "sole-custody" post divorce. the 15-16% of fathers who do each year spent tens of thousands of dollars at least, and a few years being grinded through a legal system that tries everything to get the mother what she wants, and capitulates to the father after they have exhausted everything to help her.  Your friend, or yourself?, should go to the VAWA act and find numerous resources to help financially in her cause, knowing full well as you probably already do that these same resources will not help the father!!!  The few fathers who get custody (physical) will only get it if the mother agrees to it.  Thirty years will show the vast majority of mothers will NEVER give the kids to father.  Child support is too lucrative!  Based on the real math, your case does not stack up to a run of the mill decision against fathers that happens every hour of everyday that family cou  tis open.  They routinely deny fathers basic constitutional rights, and deprive them of any chance of seeing their kids if the mother so wishes.  All you have to do is falsely accuse him, and he is a goner.  Just beware, times are a changing, and you might finally be called on your garbage.  Good luck being a dead beat mom!

• It is pretty obvious from all the comments here, that there are a lot of mothers here who feel their children are literally "theirs"!  Basically, any father who decides to fight in court to have access to his children should be labeled an abusive, pedopheliac!  Because No mother abuses her kids right?  And any father who cannot prevent his soon to be ex from divorcing him(which is impossible at present) must have deserved it, or had it coming.  It could not possibly be the woman's fault.  Women in the US are beyond priviedged.  You all seem to now think you deserve everything a man can offer you, even if you give him nothing in return when you divorce and take everything he gave you with you.  I honestly feel that man should shy from marriage, if we want to avoid getting a woman like you!  You are not worth the risk, you're just not!

• Hes right you know, it is only a matter of time.  I dont know you, but I know that what he says is true.  I have read comments like yours, and I know the vitriole you spew.  However, for every victory you think you claim, you alienate yourself from reasonable minded people.  Very few fathers abuse their children in anyway!  Very few!  Less then 5% I imagine.  The majority of fathers who go to court, are not guilty of any form of abuse!  Unless you think that all mothers have the right to decide whether a father can be a part of his childrens lives at all?  Do you feel that children are the "property" of mothers, and that mothers should have a law that blankets their viewpoint from scrutiny if they keep the father away? 

• Well said coldnorthwind  But....battery, rape and murder are not a crimes in family law and dependency courts...these are illnesses that require the help and treatment of the Cottage Industry waiting to funnel all the therapies and resources to patch up the abusers so they can hand over our children to them and blame our efforts to protect our children on PAS. It's neat and easy.  Why is reunification  the goal and priority and not the safety and well being of the children? Job security for the Cottage Industry. Money/political power is always the concern.. always follow the money and that is where the answer can be found to this national travesty.

• Interesting, the divergent streams of thought. The comments of actual facts-babies, children and mothers being murdered, is a concern of many. Money seems the concern of others. Personally, I would like to see recognition of the fact of murdered babies, children and mothers garner more support. Is not murder a crime ? Ideas and theories that facilitate abuses and killing are  major contributers to ongoing destruction.Ongoing pillage and rape.

• ‎"Nationally, the number of women in state prisons has increased 757% in the past three decades, growing at more than twice the rate of the male prison population. In 1977, the United States imprisoned 10 women per 100,000 female residents; in 2004, the rate had grown to 64 per 100,000. In 2004, this equated to 96,125 women in prison nationwide." - Frost, N.A., Green, J., & Pranis, K. (2006, May). The punitiveness reWe are researching to see how many of those women went trought our sick family court, and so far we have found that more that 100s women ( their children are in Juvenal,) went thought our incompetent, money and power hunger of our sick family court, we will hold all of them accountable for destroying our family values, we will reform our family court. Where is justice for all?

• As we all know if 75% of our business are under water we simply go bank robed and vanish, but as we know the rate of fulayer in our brooking Family Court is more than 75%, but business as usual, you know why? because Family Court is Organize Crime they make profit when children lose, how sick it is, our Marin Family Court ruling is less than third world country, this is so sad.

• As we all know if 75% of our business are under water we simply go bank robed and vanish, but as we know the rate of fulayer in our brooking Family Court, but business as usual, you know why? because Family Court is Organize Crime they make profit when children lose, how sick it is, our Marin Family Court ruling is less than third world country, this is so sad.

• By all means, since you have the answers to this social scourge that is centuries old; please go forth and fix it !

• Yeah I understand Glen... that is your main sales point to gullible fathers that get sucked in by you.

• FatherhoodFactCheck writes "Fathers and families trains the DCSS staff, so dads rights people cannot complain that they do not get a fair shake from child support services." This falsehood has been refuted many times.  Fathers and Families (F & F) has nothing to do with "training" DCSS/child support services--you seem to be confusing F & F with another group.

• FatherhoodFactCheck writes "Why  aren't you telling fathers to ask Glenn Sacks why he allows his best friend, Jeffrey Leving from "the other" FAF, is allowed to train child support services to extort them? Why aren't you telling fathers to ask glenn sacks why he pushed for a comprimise of arrears program that allows crooked DCSS officials to make deals behind closed doors which are not on the books? These men go to jail, have their bank accounts siezed, licenses taken, etc. if they do not comply with the extortion racket set up by FAF." These are falsehoods which have been refuted many times. Fathers and Families (F & F) has nothing to do with "training child support services"--you seem to be confusing F & F with another group. The Compromise of Arrears Program (COAP) helps fathers settle unpayable, artificially inflated arrearages for an average of 11 cents on the dollar so they can have their lives back--it has nothing to do with any "extortion racket."

• You just did! Thanks

• Are you are asking fathers who got into this mess because they made a deal with the devil via DCSS and the DA without doing their homework, to go research Richard Gardner? Are you aware that Fathers and Families trains the DCSS to extort these fathers into using the PAS defense? Where is your compassion? Why aren't you telling parents to go check the Recorder's office for the DA's rogue judgments? Why  aren't you telling fathers to ask Glenn Sacks why he allows his best friend, Jeffrey Leving from "the other" FAF, is allowed to train child support services to extort them? Why aren't you telling fathers to ask glenn sacks why he pushed for a comprimise of arrears program that allows crooked DCSS officials to make deals behind closed doors which are not on the books? These men go to jail, have their bank accounts siezed, licenses taken, etc. if they do not comply with the extortion racket set up by FAF. The DA does not have jurisdiction over support in CA. These agreements are secret with DCSS. They say right on the judgement "NO COURT SEAL OR JUDICIAL APPROVAL REQUIRED" According to the US Constitution, DCSS does not have the right to make judicial decisions like modifying support judgments, setting aside court orders, etc. They are an administrative agency overseen by the legislative branch, so they are supposed to carry out court orders, not create them. Explain to me why your leaders are not pushing these rats into the sunlight. Please. I want to hear it.

• NGU, you (and the mothers mob) have this all wrong. It is actually $4 BILLION which goes to fatherhood programs, but you don't seem to have a grasp on what it is these people are doing with it. It seems you have plucked the piece sold to you which paints moms as victims, and gone on an anti-father rampage which leads nowhere except having your children stolen. Alienation may or may not exist. I just don't care because no one impartial in the court to decide the issue of custody or whether there is abuse. What fatherhood programs are doing is cashing in on angry fathers who are scared and/or don't want to pay child support. A few are pedophiles, but most aren't. The fact is that the pedophile cases where you have actual evidence of full grown men having sexual relations with infants/toddlers/preteens, etc (and I want you to picture this because this is absolutely disgusting and wrong) those cases make GREAT PAS promotions because you will need lots of federally funded experts to dispel the evidence. It will take a long time, and the lawyers, experts, judges will get rich, the kids will get raped, and the mom will get cut off, and both parents will go broke. But the vast majority of cases just focus on extorting dads via the child support system and keeping the case open forever, while forcing the parents to pay lawyers and therapists who double and tripple bill for their time. These dads will go to jail, lose licenses, etc. if they do not comply. In the mean time, DCSS will be cutting deals behind closed doors with them, the DA registers them (if you have a DCSS check the grantor/grantee index online to see yours) without any jurisdiction, and you (mom) will never know this. Your judgment will not be in the court file and DCSS will refuse to send you a copy. Both parents have to put the word out that this is going on. The extortion has got to stop. Fathers and families trains the DCSS staff, so dads rights people cannot complain that they do not get a fair shake from child support services. Mothers rights advocates are so stupid they are telling you to give away your best evidence to the DA (who is in on it, see above) and to tell your story publicly, even though you have an open case. So yes, you do need to wise up and deal with the fathers rights people who are working against the funding.  You do not have to like them, you do not have to tell your story, you need to help them cut this IV-D money off. Don't talk about PAS and parenting issues with them because these are divisive issues you can fight about after the money is gone and someone is left to decide your case who is not lining their pockets with fatherhood money.

• Some folks just shouldn't breed.  We should demand tests and licensing.  Women who have a need to breed to find meaning in their empty lives are creating the real problem the species faces, to wit:  Overpopulation. 

• Carved in stone?  The DSM?  Dude, you're crazier than Reardon and his invention of PAS!

• So you know your mother should have aborted, and thus, you hate any woman who dare to try and do the best for their children?  Because you want all children to suffer, or what?  I have as much proof for my theory of your words as you have for hers.  Really, sorry your mother didn't want you.  Too bad!

• Parental Alienation is the brain child of a pervert, that advocated pedophilia and ended his own life with a steak knife.. none of you DAVE ever respond to those facts about your leader of this PAS movement!  Richard Gardner's theories are junk and have provided a convenient delivery system of litigant and tax payer's money to the Cottage Industry of Court Appointees that live off the Courts, side with abusers and place children's lives in danger. Any self respecting psychologist, jurist, legislator or Government Agency such as HHS should look into the history and the science of the social engineering they push down the throats of the citizenry."PROMOTING RESPONSIBLE FATHERHOOD A FEDERAL RESOURCE SITE OF THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES (HHS)Family Ties and Knots: Children of Divorce: It is designed to promote access between non-custodial parents and their children, and will be used by the Court to help parents recognize the effects of harmful "alienating" behaviors. 

• This is just one source 500 million of our tax dollars a year to help spread PAS:"PROMOTING RESPONSIBLE FATHERHOOD A FEDERAL RESOURCE SITE OF THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES (HHS)Family Ties and Knots: Children of Divorce: It is designed to promote access between non-custodial parents and their children, and will be used by the Court to help parents recognize the effects of harmful alienating behaviors. (16 minutes)"  

• When the rights of a known abuser with a history of battery, rape or any other  deleterious crime takes priority over the rights of a safe parent, guardian, or child advocate then we know our society is in trouble. When an entire justice system embraces this ridiculous theory of Parental Alienation to hide behind and enrich themselves, we've got trouble. But it is slowly being exposed, hopefully we will see an end to it. Just last week another 2 year old died in the hands of her abusers Tori Sandoval. Tori's minor's counsel Robert Vasquez, told Kontis (Tori's true advocate)  that "the history of the family does not matter, the goal is to reunify," Beautiful little Tory had a foster family that loved her, cared for her, and fought to keep her safe...her Minor's Counsel sold Tori out. She is dead.....it happens every day. It's the same dynamic in the dependency Courts and the Family Courts... reckless decisions made by arrogant people in power, kill children.

• So if you know no one is listening to the whining for mothers, then obviously your PR strategy for moms sucks, and it is time to hand the keys over to someone who knows what they are doing. You cannot complain that (a) the courts are biased against mothers because of the federal funding, and (b) the purpose of PAS is to justify ways to get the funding by appointing experts and protracting resolution of the case. Your group is not addressing the funding issue. Who do you think is going to listen to your cries in court about the validity of PAS if the judge is being paid to look the other way? Why would you bother addressing PAS when the funding is still on the table for the taking? And fathers, you are every bit as stupid because the same money exploits you through the child support system. Fathers don't actually see fatherhood money.  So why are are we even looking at this situation Peter Jamison? Have you at all researched the purpose of PAS in the courts?

• Criminal cases should go to criminal court. Instead, no-one listens to a reporting (most often) mother and she is treated as a criminal. Remember the 28 cases in  the U.K. -criminal court ? Babies died. Mothers were accused of murder. (and convicted) Wrongly. 20 cases in one province in Canada. There is a pattern in our societies of "woman-blaming" , that is abhorrent in any community that wishes to be called "civilized". The pas blather , false allegation blather etc. -is one aspect of this unevolved pattern. Result- babies and children die. Parent(s) are destroyed- and often, the mother is also killed. We are -civilized ? Guess it depends on one's definition of civilized.

• "No-one wants to send a child to reunify with an abuser" well they do Dave... Many bad people armed with your teachings, invoke those magic words "Parental Alienation" and the protective parent looses custody and the children are automatically handed over to the abuser... who then has free reign to molest, and kill. Stephen Garcia 2010 San Bernardino County CA Shot baby Wyatt in the chest See: Amy Lightenberg "Nobody took me seriously," Leichtenberg said in her first extensive interviews. "I'll spend the rest of my life wondering why no one would listen to me."Troubling picture Law-enforcement records, court transcripts and other public documents obtained by the Tribune paint a troubling picture of a system that often ignored Leichtenberg's cries for help and instead aided her ex-husband as he worked toward supposed redemption. Despite his odd behavior and criminal record, Connolly received the benefit of the doubt from police, prosecutors and a family court judge in McLean County in central Illinois. Connoly killed both of her young sons Duncan 9 and Jack 7 years of age he used a knife.     See: OKLAHOMA CITY -- Oklahoma City police have arrested a man in the death of a 5-year-old girl. Police were called to 843 E. Pine Drive Saturday, June 4, for an unresponsive child. When they arrived, they found Serenity Deal with obvious signs of abuse to her body. The little girl later died. Police arrested Serenity's father, 31-year-old Sean Brooks, on complaints of first-degree murder and child abuse. See: Atlanta, GeorgiaPolice: Man shoots, kills the mother of his children during custody swapJune 6, 2011 10:39 am ETMs. Macksey told WSB-TV that Ms. Lawrence had a protective order against Mr. Erdman and the child custody exchanges were supposed to be supervised.She told the station that Ms. Lawrence and Mr. Erdman had planned to meet in a Publix parking lot, but at the last minute, he changed the location to a more secluded lot at the Wells Fargo bank in the shopping center.In the case of Freeman and Robert Farquharson (found guilty of three counts of murder of his sons Bailey, Tyler and Jai, aged two to 10, who drowned in a dam near Winchelsea), both fathers indicated that they wished to punish their ex-partner. Shortly before killing Darcey, Freeman told his ex-wife to say goodbye to her children and that she would never see them again – clearly to make her suffer. Farquharson told a friend that he would make his ex-wife suffer by taking what mattered to her most – her children. Dave, this list is endless and as you give me your arguments about how I should give as much weight to a bad mouthing parent...as I do to a murderer...then I'll add a few more examples of protective parent v abuser in the Courts ... and show you how the kid always looses.  

• NeverGiveUP says- "Dave, The extreme end results in the molestations and deaths of children in a system that favors abusers/batterers of record and looks with suspicion of ulterior motive at the safe parent or child advocate that brings forward evidence of abuse. When reunification with an abuser takes priority over safety you get dead kids." No-one wants to send a child to reunify with an abuser, not even the judges who have been caught doing so. The problem is that there is no definition of abuse, particularly emotional, that captures the behaviours of these emotionally damaged parents so a court can clearly see whats going on and where it may escalate. PAS in the DSM would be a way of getting us to that level of certainty. I'm afraid that gender politics is getting in the way of some peoples intellect on this issue. More women kill their children so as the father can't have access or custody than you would believe, yet it seems every time I read a negative comment about PAS it inevitably argues that men falsely accuse women with this malady and they do so in order to continue the abuse.  Clearly both men and women make the same claims about and against each other. Why some women, and their supporters, see only half of this story is beyond me, unless it's merely a way of creating or maintaining an understanding that women are and can only be victims, and men are and can only be abusers.

• Dave,  The extreme end results in the molestations and deaths of children in a system that favors abusers/batterers of record and looks with suspicion of ulterior motive at the safe parent or child advocate that brings forward evidence of abuse. When reunification with an abuser takes priority over safety you get dead kids. 

• Correction the 141 dead children since Judge Lemkau ignored the pleas of Katie Tagle for protection of her child  was in January of 2010 not 2011.  Katie was not bad mouthing the father or alienating her child from from his father. Katie was trying to protect her child from a murderer.  The Judge favored the murderer; an abusive man with a history of battery. This Judge leaned toward the man with the domestic violence restraining orders in his file. The father of this 9 month old baby invoked "Parental Alienation" to Judge Lemkau, a magic word in the Family Law Court System!  And the Judge bought it, would not look at the evidence the mother provided and called  the mother trying desperately to protect her child a liar in open Court. That baby is dead now, shot through the chest by his father and so are 141 more children dead.... by the same insane process... the invocation of PAS + a history of abuse + a judge that doesn't care about the history or the evidence = neglected, abused, molested, murdered children. You guys know no shame...there is too much in it for you financially and politically, our own government funds this junk science that harms our children. "PROMOTING RESPONSIBLE FATHERHOOD A FEDERAL RESOURCE SITE OF THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES (HHS)Family Ties and Knots: Children of Divorce: It is designed to promote access between non-custodial parents and their children, and will be used by the Court to help parents recognize the effects of harmful alienating behaviors. (16 minutes)" Isn't it great for you...Spartan... that our own government pushes the junk science of pervert, that advocated pedophilia and ended his own life with a steak knife, your leader and founder of your movement Richard Gardner.There will be a huge public outcry when the world wakes up to this outrage.

• This may or may accurately reflect the DSM committees views, and if it does, this is not a refutation of the existence of PAS. It would simply mean either that this group is looking for more research and an appropriate place for PAS, or that it is not a medical condition. As far as I know, there are no other diagnosis for any other form of domestic violence either.

• Are you counting the abducted and murdered children who were victimized to keep the other parent out of their lives, .............. forever? That, of course, is the extreme end of the continuum of many behaviours called parental alienation.

• I not talking about bad mouthing a good parent. I'm talking about the 140, now 141 children placed in the hands of abusers since 2/20/11 that are now dead because the Courts took the side of the abuser hiding behind parental alienation, over the parent or child advocate that tried desperately to protect.  The priority is reunification because of pernicious teachings and warnings like yours rather than protection of vulnerable children.

• It is only a matter of time before fathers have equity in court.  Only a matter of time that venomous mothers like you will help fathers tip the scale.  Only a matter of time before venomous mothers like you will not have the cover of the restraining order (TRO) to take full control with your false allegations.  Only a matter of time... 

• Screwed-up parents screw up kids. They do this many times by destroying the other parent. Although fathers are not exempt from the use of this tactic; mothers are adapt at using this tool to make themselves feel they are in the right.  The impact is devastating to the children.  Shame on those that use it.  Shame on those so called professionals that are putting up this smoke screen.  PAS is as real as a heart attack... The impact to a child is long lasting. For those that complain that they have been wronged in court... The problem isn't PAS.  The problem is with the rejects that are practicing as judges/commissioners, attorneys and so called experts.  We are putting our most vulnerable families in the hands of these rejects.  Therefore what type of results do we expect? This a very lucrative industry... Therefore the players don't want to change anything.  Why ruin a good thing by fixing it?  So the innocent will continue to be abused by the overzealous narcissists and their enablers (the system).  Society will be paying dividends. 

• I would not ask for another blood sucking Court Appointee.. Minor's counsel to represent your son... Minor's Counsel will NOT represent your son... most Court Appointees from Evaluators to Counsels will represent your ex! Do you know why? Job security for the appointee. The minor's Counsel will side with the abuser.. The abusers are the clients and the recipients of protection of the Family Law Court system not the real victims, the children they abuse or the spouses they batter.... All the resources are funneled to the abusers and to the Cottage Industry that surrounds the Courts. This industry provides all the various therapies, parenting classes, anger management, legal help, etc., to treat the abuser so that they can step up and take the child away from the safe, protective parent.  Rape and battery are not crimes in Family Law.... they are illnesses that require the care and treatment for the rapist/batterer by therapists, lawyers, mediators, evaluators, reunification therapists, visitation monitors and the list goes on appointed by our Courts. The Department of Health and Human Services,  HHS puts up 500 million dollars a year for such programs across this country, including help in identifying alienators ... Parents that try desperately to protect their children in the nations courts are called "Alienators" by their own government!  The court appointees  can't wait to get their hands on your ex because reunification is the goal, regardless of the family history of violence, rape, neglect, drug and alcohol abuse. Court appointee's livelihoods are in programs provided by our tax dollars through HHS to "fix" abusers and then to hand defenseless children over to them.It is disgusting what good, fit, protective parents have to go through.

• I reject Commissioner Heubach's use of the designation of Parent Alienation Syndrome (PAS) to describe the mother which has no scientific basis in fact except for his labeling mother as alienating  the son from the father and that she is emotionally disturbed.  It is astonishing how this Family Court uses those tactics to cover the effects of their own failure and incompetence.  The Court is requested to appoint an attorney to represent the interests of the child immediately.  This case has been before the Marin Family Court for more than 4-1/2 years without result and is responsible for depleting all the mother's resources for legal representation, therefore we are requesting the court to appoint counsel for the son immediately, mother lost more than half of million dollars and counting. I also request Commissioner Heubach to throw out immediately the restraining order of April 29 and to stop siding with the abuser.  Commissioner is requested to address the lying of the abusive father and the impact of that lying and projecting upon a faster resolution of the case at hand.  This lying and twisting the truths has served as an obstruction of justice, costing both the mother and child unnecessary loss of time, play and resources.Commissioner Heubach is respectfully requested to further consider the effects of the lies, abuse  father, of the physical and emotional pain and suffering upon the mother and child by the abusing father, by this Court's failure to intervene to prevent the father's further employment of his tactics to obstruct justice at a cost also to the family court in time and resources.  I am of the belief that much of this time and resource wasting could be prevented by more timely and effective action by the Court in a single intervention.I am denying the need for this current Request for Investigation of CPS.  I am instead requesting this Court to appoint counsel to represent my son.  Both my son as well as I need to protect ourselves from the abuse suffered as a result of this court's delays and unresponsive action for the protection of the rights of the mother and son in this Family Court proceeding and siding with the abuser. As we all know by now Family Court is Organize crime they profit when the child lose.

• Gardner was not just defending fathers. Not practically, not in theory.

• In the name(s) of all the children who have been and may be further abused by the use of this vile theory, thank you Peter Jamison, for informing the public. I think it worthwhile to say that ANY theory or idea that resembles this idea, has NO place in deciding the safety and life of a child. Evidence and facts  belong in cases that may involve criminal activity- and NEVER some idea or theory. Children and reporting parents (often a mother) need to be heard and believed.Incest is the most common form of sexual aggression.(Intrafamilial sexual assault, if the term is preferred-)  Thank you.

• As I stated a few weeks earlier, on the same topic, PA is a clear and present danger which is often pushed under the carpet in order to maintain status quo. Let me quote Paula J. Caplan's views: "It is often disappointing to see how uncritically not only those who compile the DSM but also many other psychiatrists, psychologists, and social workers read the relevant research. The longer I work in this field, the more I learn about the limitations of what is known. It is terribly difficult to do illuminating research about human behavior on its own, given its complexity and both the ethical and the practical limitations on what we can and cannot manipulate; it is far more difficult to try to understand correlations, never mind cause-effect directionality, between behavior and the brain or genetics. Those who care about human suffering want to find ways to help. That undoubtedly explains partly the rush by researchers, clinicians, sufferers, their loved ones, and people in the media to believe that we know more than we actually do." Interesting how Paula Caplan's comments, under a veil of scientific limitations, actually show that she prefers calcified, rigid and carved in stone DSM which protects the current sacred cow status of women in the courts, instead of admitting that limitations in our knowledge justify and require changes in DSM.

• My prayers have been answered for all the mothers and children that have dealt with this pseudo scientific theory invented by the late suicidal Gardner. May this junk science rot in hell with pro-pedophile Gardner for eternity! Thank you Mr. Jamison for helping educate the general public of the abusers excuse that has harmed many child sexual abuse victims. I can only imagine the headquarters at "Fathers & Families" where Sacks, Holstein and Farrell are scratching their heads wondering what they did wrong...hmmmmm :)

• Thank you again Peter!

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