Five Reasons Tyler, the Creator Suuucks

In art, there's a concept of the "idiot" who does what the intelligent virtuous hero couldn't. He isn't inviting people to be like him, but he represents things that we feel sometimes but know better than to act upon. It's similar to the dark fantasy of gangster rap but more attuned to the demons of the common suburban listener. And his dj is a girl and "big brother" frank ocean is openly gay.

It's not just the fact that his music is gimmicky and full of bad messages... he's a fucking terrible rapper as well. Making excuses for him like some of the fans have done here is idiotic - Tyler is a grown ass dude and if he wants to sell his soul to make some money, that's him fucking up and doesn't need teenagers defending his choices. Also, his music just blows.

And also, Tyler feed off the hateful energy he receives. If all is too well he does things or says things deliberately to upset you. It's like crack for him, that's why he was so happy when Bruno Mars dissed him back. He is actually SURPRISED when people call him their role model and he makes the stupidest, tackiest clothes because HE knows their bad and knows you will think so too and doesn't understand why people like them (He has stated this in an interview). 

Most celebrities do everything they can to get in the good light but tyler doesn't. He gets critized, he keeps doing what it is he does to get more. I believe that's why OF is offended by what he says about them because they know  he wants a reaction. 

Tyler's a mama's boy. He curses like a sailor and insults like it's his job but that's about it. Just a kid who likes to rap and skateboard. 

You people take things way to seriously and not only that but you are all quick to judge without BG information. Nothing is ever as simple as black and white, there's many different shades of gray in between as well. As a fan I can you this;1. He's not as douchey as he sounds.  Or as he tried to make himself to be. If you ever listened to some of his songs, he states this, that its only for the fans and for the media. Ever since Kanye put him out there, people are expecting alot from him and he doesn't know what to deliver. Sure he has his "Racist, prejudice, insensitive" lyrics, but that's only for airplay, listen to the rest of the album and you hear him tell a little about his REAL feelings, thoughts and character. The badass, blatant and rude gimmick is exactly what it is... A gimmick. 

I'm not saying Tyler isn't an ass. But he's not a fucking monster. 

I find it ironic too how everyone here is willing to preach about how he doens't deserve fame and he's this and that like your all saints. We're teenagers. We fuck up time to time. Leave it alone. 

Seriously. You guys need to learn just what the fuck the boundaries are for being a human being. If i was black, i would not be proud of this fascist, insensitive douchebag. Kill people, burn shit, fuck school? Come on kids, fuck that class and hit that bong (or something like that)? seriously. i think that defeats the purpose of him being a "good kid," outside of music. This person does not give credit nor raises the values his race. People like Martin Luther King Jr do. NOT him and his immature "wolfgang." I would argue that most of his fans are rebellious, unprincipaled, and disturbed people. I will fucking guarantee that when you have your children and finally MATURE, you will NOT listen to this music. Damn people.....you praise the shit in this world that corrupts America's society. Good job.

lol

how dare u say some1 out of the least tyler,the creator u r a doughbag

fuck u

The faggot that wrote this took what tyler says anally. Its fiction. Calm the fuck down

The funny thing is that this article isn't stupid or dishonest, it just got bombarded by OF groupies. Great guys, we know you want to suck Tyler's dick. Now we got reminded.

Still, I'll say the article isn't amazing either. More evidence could've been presented, which is abundant since the points presented are in fact true(beyond his lyrics he's said things to speak to all of the above.) Tyler rightfully would say a lot of his lyrics are figurative. While that doesn't automatically make them okay, it's not even my problem with him. When he says shit about the Columbine guys being cool, I don't care if he's a "troll" like most of these people brush off, those guys were murders. That's fucked and everyone should agree. At the end of the day, I find this kid Tyler to be a punk and a douche bag. That may not directly affect his music, but it goes into the thinking into how much an artist is liked and should be supported. When he was called out as being misogynistic, he just said more stupid shit. 

Fuck Odd Future. Until they grow up, hip hop should leave them to the indie crowd.

Oh Your A Chick? No Wonder Your Being Such A Bitch. Now Get Off Tyler's Fucking Dick, Put In Your Fucking Tampon, And Go Make Me Dinner. I Honestly Never Knew How Ignorent A Woman Could Possibly Be Until I Read This Peice Of Shit Article About Your Feelings About A Hilarious Man In Odd Future. For You To SaybHe Hates Women Because He Says What Rhymes In His Songs Is So Fucking Funny I Forgot To Laugh. You Oblviously Havn't Looked Into Tyler The Creator's Bio. Where All The Good Writers Taking A Vacation And Then You Finally Got The Stupid Ass Thought In You Mind, "This Is My Chance..." This Is YOUR Opinion On His Music. YOUR'S. Not Everyone Else's So Stop Acying Like It Is. Tyler Speaks His Mind Just Like You So Stop Trying To Act Like Your Better Than Him. If You Know All Components Of Making Music Then Make Some. This Ignorent Post Is So Fucking Whiye Based. Are You White? You Seem White. A White Bitch.

Tyler's a bitch

Dude stfu... He's an entertainer, not a political statement so shut up about that black streotype thing you wrote. Nonetheless his raps are offensive, but he does that entirely because the reason of the lyrics being rediculus. It's funny when he is offensive because he's not serious whereas a political figure it isn't because he is serious. It is well worded and the first reason was good, but you sound like a fool without a clue of knowing it.

The funny thing is, Tyler doesn't drink, smoke, do drugs, rape, or kill anyone. Listen deeper in his music before you write an article ranting on the loiter squad...Mmkaay? Goblin he saysalright guysyou caught meim not a serial killer... or a rapist. And goes on to say some other shit. He talks about how he doesnt do that stuff (who knows if its true) but I dont think he does. You dumbshits need to learn to appreciate music and WolfGangs humor.... the columbine thing is fucking hilarious. Its hilarious because no one else would ever say that. Fuck yall golfwang.

I MEAN I LOVE OFWGKTA I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU SAY BITCH HE IS MR ROMODEL!!! FAGGOT

A BUNCH OF REASONS WHYRAE ALEXANDRA SUUUCKS,

AND A FEW REASONS WHYYOU TECHNICALLY CAN’T HATE HER.

By neecholas on behalfof the Odd Future Fan Base

            First and foremost, I have never bloggedor published anything on the web. With that said, I am unclear as to whatproper blogger etiquette consists of and will continue solely with focus on myfeelings and logic along with an intentional ignorance of cyber manners.

           From thejaw-dropping debut of ‘Bastard’ in 2009, one would assume the quality ofcritical reviews to increase as they are written more frequently. Unfortunatelythe opposite seems to stand as the popular trend among hungry bloggers asthey vent behind their iPads. I’m going to have to imagine sometime around lateNovember, after a long day of dealing with her bosses’ fist up her ass, theharsh lyrical talent of Wolf Haley must have struck a chord somewhere in the fedup, no longer in her twenties, just realized she’s about to her forties’, ohshit I hate this new offensive style of music, mind of the San Francisco Weeklywriter. In beautiful succession, I then imagine her plan of attack:

1. Ignoreany of the explanatory artist-exclusive interviews which illustrate Wolf Haley’sfoundation behind his lyrics.

2. Ignoreany previously written attacks on OFWGKTA, and especially ignore all of thecomments by readers and their hatred for haters such as yourself.

3. Ignore thefact that almost all of Odd Future’s melodic beats have been inspired by the ingeniousmind of Syd tha Kyd, who may I add if the responses haven’t already beenbranded into to your brain for eternity, is a lesbian.

4. Pull fivereasons (along with probably a bunch of other paraphernalia) out of your assabout why you and everyone should think Tyler sucks, and ignore any other musical,cinematic, or artistic content that has revolved around the same ideasregarding stereotypes, school shootings, rape, and pimp slapping ignorant hoessuch as yourself.

In motion to cease the hating and topromote an understanding, let us dissect Ms. Alexandra’s article on Tyler pieceby piece:

            We begin with the opening paragraph,in which Rae speaks for herself as well as another party. She explains how initially,she…and…someone, loved “Yonkers” for its provocative and dark nature, then “realizedthey're all complete fucking idiots and ‘Yonkers’ was a fluke.” First, let’sdefer any insight into who “we” is, and note that Rae’s bi-polar interest inmusic may be a red flag that she may indeed need to talk to Tron Cat moreurgently than Tyler. I am confident I speak for at least a few people that oneusually can tell whether or not they like a song the first time they hear it,given there are plenty of tracks that definitely creep up on you as well. Idefinitely don’t prematurely stoke out on a song, and then one morning wake uplike, “what the hell have I been doing the past three weeks.” I mean damn,maybe Rae’s right, there are plenty of flukes that pull over 40,000,000 viewsalong with numerous other pieces that amass more than that of “Yonkers.”

            I hope that in her response to this(if she can muster it,) she could provide us with an understanding of who “we”is. Any logical person would assume she is referring to her fellow colleaguesat SF Weekly. However, after giving it some thought, there has to be at least afew people that bleed Wolf Haley in some form or another (whether or not they’rewilling to admit it) out of the hundred or so staff members listed on the SFWeekly website. Pulling out all the stops here, if “we” isn’t Rae and hercolleagues, then “we” must be all of her readers of course. Hmm, almost 50comments and there are 1 ½ comments that support this article’s content. Damn,so it’s not the staff, and it’s not her readers, and it clearly isn’t Tyler’slisteners.

All in all, I believeRae’s use of “we” has perplexed us all…which already is a greater feat than herflaccid response to a foul-mouthed new artist.

           As we force ourselvespast the first paragraph, we move on to a numeric list that attempts to justifywhy Tyler, the Creator suuucks. I would like to take this time to thank Tyler on behalf of all the hatersfor including the painful events which took place at Columbine highschool in 1999 in his lyrical content. For without this, there would be oneless item to capture the passionate, embarrassingly incapable minds of hatersthroughout the world. Where should I start? “Scholastically violent event whichmusical content allegedly inspired, that will affect music far into theforeseeable future…….’Alex, what is Columbine?’ Ding, ‘that is correct John.’” Thesole fact that people such as Rae believe musical content to be a majorcontributor to these violent events gives artists the absolute right toreference Columbine in their work. What about the children’s upbringing? Theability to get their paws on automatic weapons? Chemical imbalances? What abouteven less direct issues like the drive to win for youth sport coaches thatproduces outcasts and social anxiety for the little leaguers who can’t perform?It is so baffling how one can even begin to blame artists such as Eminem andMarilyn Manson, whose music was never found in either Eric or Dylan’s diaries,or on their shirts, or pulsating through their ears. They listened to whitepower inspired music such as Rammstein and Pop Will Eat Itself, whose songtitles translate into “white flesh” and “the white will live on.” What startswith an I and rhymes with shmirony? Furthermore, I find it strange someone withsuch a broad expertise on new music aimed at college and high school studentsfailed to mention anything regarding the lyrics of Foster the People’s “PumpedUp Kicks.” I will be bothered the next time a kid goes on spree after findinghis dad’s gun in his closet, and no one blames Mark Foster for telling the kidwhere to look. Bash one song, bash them all Rae.  If you have a problem with someone wishingthat Eric and Dylan should rest in peace, I have a problem with you. Clearlynot Rae, nor anyone else were out there hoping or helping them to live inpeace. Something tells me they didn’t cock back and split the wig of that onegirl who helped them with their history homework, however I’m confident a fewof the football players who used to can the shooters at lunch are no longerrunning 4.4 second 40’s. I’m also confident that Eric and Dylan were prettycool people with plenty of potential, pre-bullying.  Lastly, seeing as though the entire “Goblin”album is a conversation between a troubled kid and his shrink named Tron Cat,it is clearly evident that Tyler is relating his fictional personality to thatof troubled souls such as that of Eric and Dylan.

Rae, your lack of analyticaland research methods bewilders me on how you landed your current day job.

“We could go dumber.”

-Joe Rogan

            My little sister could write this part almost as well as I could. WhatRae is saying in layman is, ‘Sure all rappers hate on women…..but Tylerreeeaaalllyyy hates on women.’ Yeah Tyler is obsessed with hating women, that’swhy he gets along so well with his lesbian producer Syd. I cannot seem to getany female between the ages of 18 and 22 to tell me they hate Tyler. Every girlI introduce his music to loves how hard it is, the same way they like men whoare strong, fearless, and can protect them from anything. Let’s pause to letRae keep her Atkin’s inspired lunch down. An interesting pattern: All of thosewho seem to believe that Tyler hates women all seem to be old women. Women whodo not understand how the new generation interprets music and take lyricalcontent literally. Oh hey, by the way, when the airwaves are filled with thesame auto-tuned, synthesized, weak-ass examples of “rap” songs, do you notexpect there to be a very large following of the not? Even at the extent oftemporarily sacrificing a couple morals for a few minutes?        I’m not abig fan of repeating myself, but due to the lack of mind capacity required towrite an article like this, I’ll make an exception. Actually scratch that, goback a page or two and read what I wrote about Tyler’s producer. Now do youstill think he’s a homophobe? I’m sure if you ask him he’ll answer, however, I’msure he and rappers such as Eminem, as well as every kid who gets sent to theprincipal’s office, have had it up to here with explaining that the term “faggot”is used by the new generation to describe someone who does not appeal to them. “Faggot”as a term used to describe gays is almost exclusively used by the “parentalgeneration,” the parents of the new kids on the block. Someday, everyday userswon’t know the gay definition of “faggot” unless they look it up on somehistorical word culture website. Until then I’ll take the fact Rae writes forthe San Fran Weekly and let her have her gay bashing perspective. Seeing asthough it doesn’t seem like hating on all minority groups will be departinghip-hop anytime soon, listen to it, enjoy it, or turn it off.

Reasons Why We Can’t Technically Hateon Rae:

I couldn’t callthis an objective article without adding this part.

1.      Maybe they don’t provide thefundamentals of researching and providing evidence in an argument in theBritish education system?

2.      She used to blog exclusively forJustin Timberlake (the other end of the spectrum,) so she must naturally hateon people like Tyler and assume that her horse is high enough to do so withoutdoing proper research?

3.      Tyler’s American accent makes it difficultto identify his context?

4.      She’s old and should probably stickto covering classic rock and pop shows? I mean I really tried to figure out herage but she won’t list her birth year (which means she’s old) on the FB andfinished grad school in 2000….

5.      Upon hiring maybe SF Weekly admiredher passion in place of brain capability?

In conclusion, I hope Rae learned her lesson and Idare her to write a response to this. I also hope she will keep within her jurisdictionin the music blogging community and remembers that when writing a persuasion,or strongly-opinionated reaction to something, make sure to actually do someresearch, such as looking into the fan base, interviews, the facts and pleasedo so objectively. Thanks for taking the time of day, and I apologize about the formatting, the original has excerpts from Rae's blog between sections. For the original email me at nalarson4@gmail.com.

“ I’m stabbing anyblogging faggot hipster with a pitch fork.”

Written by:

 “Tall, white, handsome, smile’s big as fuck.Big fake tits the only way to get my dick up.”

-Neecholas

OFWGKTA!!!!!!!!

punk ass journalist you dont know shit suck my dick

is this person retarded ha. DO RESEARCH. the worst article ever.

about    2. He's a Rampant MisogynistHave you heard wheels its a love song that Tyler made so i wouldn't take Transylvania serious its about him being a vampire.

this was very well written, the author is very clever and chooses/uses words with impressivce effect

You're feeding into him. It's all a joke and you're the punchline. He wants you to say all this. This article is the but of Tyler's joke. Grow some balls man.

You're stupid; I'm a female teenager and afan of O.F.  I know to not take what hesays literal. He’s entertaining andhas several clever verses. Its funny how you talk about his "random disclaimer"being half-ass in Radicals but forget to include, “I’m notsaying to go out and do some stupid shit, commit crimes. What I’m trying totell you is, do what the fuck you want. Stand for what the fuck you believe inand don’t let nobody tell you what the fuck you can’t do.” Also, you claim, “He’snot keen to gays, Either” How old are you? You’re criticizing Tyler for saying “faggot”when you yourself cannot use the appropriate terminology, it’s homosexual notgay. You’ve clearly know nothing about O.F. and I find it absolutely ridiculousfor SF Weekly to let arrogant dumbasses like you blog invalid information ontheir website. OFWGKTA DGAF! 

cool story bro LOOOL fucking pathetic little shit cunt you are for bothering to type all this bullshit up that no body cares about. 

Gays will flip out on the simplest insult yet no gays have come foward sayin they hate tyler the creator for gay bashing because THEY KNOW HES A FUCKING KID WHOS SAYIN A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT EVERYONE AND THEIR MOM K OWS THIS EXCEPT YOU. Youre probably the same guy who watches the daily show and takes jon stewart as if it was actual news.. its satire you prick

Dude.. you really are ignorant.. he says his music isnt literal hes tryna show an example of doing whatever the fuck you want. He also said after his third album hes not gon a be rapping about the same things & he said he did most of his crazy controversial rhymes to prove that shock value will get you placrs in this stupid society... he says fuck bill o'reily because he dissed OF.. he also says fuck steve harvey for the same reason but you failed to mention that... you really are ignorant.. please do your research before you speak on a subject .

tyler the creator is a annoying fucking kid. thats that.

Rae, learn how to do some fucking research. 

1. This is the only bullet point on this list on which I kind of agree with you. His talk about how "if" something were to happen that his name would be bandied about, while probably true, is annoying. We all know he'd love nothing more than to piss off thousands of upper middle-class uptight white parents, but the odds are there probably won't be another high school shooting of that magnitude anytime soon, which is why Tyler feels the need to bring it up constantly. And are you saying that it is completely immoral to empathize with Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold? Were they not human beings as well? Human beings that were ignored by their parents and mistreated by their peers every single day of their lives? Maybe if there were more people like Tyler in the world, who said that they were "probably cool people", more people who aren't so quick to judge and label people from afar, then maybe the phrases "Columbine" or "Virginia Tech" or "Northern Illinois" wouldn't conjure up images of school shootings, but merely images of school. Maybe if we conditioned our children to empathize and not judge, things would be different.

2.  If you think the song "Bitch Suck Dick" is celebrating rampant misogyny, I sincerely implore you to look up the word satire in the dictionary. Did you ever think that maybe Tyler is bringing to the forefront something that exists in every song on the radio but nobody seems to notice? Why is it that T-Pain and Usher and Chris Brown and Drake and any other radio-friendly Hip-Hop/R&B act you can think of can make a songs about getting women drunk with the express purpose of fucking them and everybody's fine with it? You literally have to go out of your way to make songs inspired by serial killers about chopping up and beating up women to actually be accused of misogyny in today's hip-hop culture.

3. He's a 20 year old kid in 2011 who wasn't raised in the farmland and never went to church, so odds are he's not homophobic. (Yeah, I know, that's a bigoted statement, but it's also probably fucking true. Sue me.) Throw in the fact that Syd tha Kyd, who engineers pretty much every Odd Future release, DJs all of their shows and now sings vocals for an Odd Future group called The Internet, is a lesbian and I'm preeeeeety sure Tyler's not homophobic. Again, do some fucking research.

4. Right off the bat, you fail to understand what Tyler's actually saying. Listen very closely, white girl..."IT'S FUCKING FICTION". I say you fail to understand that, because you claim he's "demand"ing his listeners to "kill people, burn shit, fuck school". Again, if you actually listened to the whole song, you would've heard Tyler say "I'm not, sayin, just to go out and do some stupid shitCommit crimes, all I'm tryna tell you is, do what the fuck you wantStand for what the fuck you believe inand don't let NOBODY tell you you can't do what the fuck you wantI'm a fucking unicorn, the FUCK to anybody who say I'm not"

Clumsy songwriting? Perhaps. Literal incitement of anarchy? NO, you fucking narrow-minded twat.

5. My god you're a fucking hyperbolic moron. Have you ever actually, y'know, in your head, juxtaposed Tyler's on-stage/on-record persona with how he behaves in interviews and other public appearances? The fact that you said "young black males" instead of just "young males" really says more about you than it does about Tyler. Because he wouldn't have made that distinction, and rarely does in his music. He refers to everyone at his shows as "niggas" when maybe 10% of them are actually black. He doesn't give a fuck about race. Try actually researching the person you're writing about before making bold declarations about them.

If you can drag yourself away from the next blog entry breaking down and making fun of some dumb christmas video, watch this interview with Tyler http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... and then come back and sincerely tell me you still think he's a complete fucking idiot. He's not stupid...he just doesn't give a fuck. And yes, Yonkers was a fluke. It's a fluke that so many narrow-minded fucks were exposed to a hip-hop artist that actually has something interesting to say.

its all satirical you fucking idiot. hes representing all those across the spectrum that are pissed at the way this world works. His argument is that the only way to change shit is to show total and utter rebellion. Let others voice their opinions, or shut the fuck up with yours. 

whoever made this is old, obviously.

Someone already said it. Your feeding the trolls right now. Bottom line, OFWGKTA make great music and the writer of this article has just proved him or herself to have less of an understanding of the way 'Art' works than a bunch of bratty teenagers. I normally really dig this blog, but this whole writeup is lame.

theres already so much controversy around tyler that this just boost his popularity even more people can see through one sided pieces like this

Haha fucking idiot Journalist

someone in ofwgkta is gay.. 

This blog just lost a good amount of readers

easily one of the most ignorant articles i've read in weeks. honeslty what was goin through your head when you wrote this? are there editors at sf? do people research things like literally at all? im confounded by the naivety in this article. i can't even compregend it it's mind boggling really......kill yourself 

This is a dumb article. If you actually took the time to research the type of person Tyler is behind his music, you'd know that he's just a goofy kid who raps about content he finds amusing. Your points of criticism (hates women, gays, ect) are true in terms of his lyrical content, but these are age old concepts in hip-hop (not saying this is excusable, but singling out Tyler for it is unfair). If he really hated women and gays so much, he wouldn't have hired his main DJ Syd, who is a lesbian and one of his great friends.I think it's safe to assume that you haven't actually listened to anyone except Tyler, or you would know that Odd Future also has acts like MellowHype, The Internet, and Frank Ocean, who all utilize completely different styles.You don't have to like Odd Future, or Tyler, or whoever, but please dive deeper into the music before you criticize who he is as a person.